Really Deep ugly turn SPOT

donkey · #1 05-19-2007, 04:10 PM

6handed 10/20 game.

i have 9k, button has 10k. button seems okay, havent really seen him do anything special/out-of-line.

PREFLOP
CO raises to 60, button 3bets to 210. I 4bet to 1200 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] from the BB (bein OOP 450 bb's deep, what's the optimal raise size here?). Button calls.

FLOP 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I lead 2200. button calls instantly.

TURN 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
pot is 6900, i have 5600 left...

wdead · #2 05-19-2007, 04:24 PM

button has KK all in?

NaturalSelection · #3 05-19-2007, 04:37 PM

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(bein OOP 450 bb's deep, what's the optimal raise size here?)

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I like the big raise here, Button might think you're protecting QQ or JJ

wdead · #4 05-19-2007, 04:42 PM

although if I were villain and had KK and u shoved I would fold

jungy121 · #5 05-19-2007, 04:45 PM

wow this is such a ugly spot...do you think he i good enough to float the flop and bet at completed draws?

wdead · #6 05-19-2007, 04:47 PM

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wow this is such a ugly spot...do you think he i good enough to float the flop and bet at completed draws?

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i dont think floating this flop is good.

wdead · #7 05-19-2007, 04:47 PM

i think its shove or c/f and i dont really know which one is better or why

aejones · #8 05-19-2007, 05:32 PM

I dunno bout that I think you can safely check.. I don't think he bets JJ-KK. I don't see how or why he would flat a flush draw on this flop either, since it looks like an ok flop to get you off of an overpair.. that said I just have no [censored] idea what he cold calling range is here preflop, I would think this dude has like JJ-KK a lot.

soah · #9 05-19-2007, 05:57 PM

letting him check behind with a spade in a pot of this size is pretty bad

I just push here

aejones · #10 05-19-2007, 06:04 PM

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letting him check behind with a spade in a pot of this size is pretty bad

I just push here

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you're "worried" about him checking behind QQ with the Q of spades? i think him having that 20% equity is of little relevance in this hand, unless you KNOW that he'll call a shove because of his "redraw"