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Old 05-18-2007, 12:57 PM
getmetheswan getmetheswan is offline
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Default 1-2 NL: bad luck or donkey play?

Started playing 1-2 full ring recently, buying in for half max. I keep finding myself in the situations like the following where I lose it all after building it up steadily for a while.

Are these two sample hands bad luck or donkey moves?

HAND ONE:

Villian is playing 70% of hands.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $223.75
BB: $100.10
UTG: $61.65
UTG+1: $208.80
<font color="black">Hero (MP1): $98.00</font>
MP2: $306.85
MP3: $205.75
CO: $194.70
BTN: $96.20

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $7.00, 2 folds, BB calls $5.00

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($22) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $15.00</font>, CO folds, BB calls $15.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($52) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $76.00</font>, BB calls $76.00

<font color="black">River:</font> ($204) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $204.00 ($3 Rake)

BB had 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Eights) and WON (+$103.00)
Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$98.00)

On the turn, I could have bet 35, but felt I'd have to call a raise anyway so i pushed expecting him to call with KQ/QJ,etc... Thoughts?


HAND TWO:

Both villian and I have tight pf stats.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $166.70
BB: $194.00
UTG: $264.25
<font color="black">Hero (UTG+1): $114.50</font>
MP1: $206.25
MP2: $211.30
MP3: $76.45
CO: $61.00
BTN: $222.75

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.00</font>, <font color="red">MP1 raises to $14.00</font>, 6 folds, Hero calls $9.00

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($31) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP1 bets $22.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $97.00</font>, <font color="red">MP1 raises to $172.00</font>, Hero calls all-in for $3.50
Uncalled bet of $71.50 returned to MP1

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($232) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

<font color="black">River:</font> ($232) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $232.00 ($3 Rake)

MP1 had A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON (+$114.50)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$114.50)

In this hand, I check raised the flop because villain continuation bets 100% of the time.
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Old 05-18-2007, 01:02 PM
Abramovic Abramovic is offline
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Default Re: 1-2 NL: bad luck or donkey play?

Buy in full. With your half stack its much harder to get away from these.
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Old 05-18-2007, 01:12 PM
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Default Re: 1-2 NL: bad luck or donkey play?

Buy in full.
But to answer your question: Bad luck. First hand is 100% standard (even with a full stack).
Second hand is also standard given stack sizes. Check-raise is standard when checking to the PFRR. Well played.
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Old 05-18-2007, 01:29 PM
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Default Re: 1-2 NL: bad luck or donkey play?

Buy in full.
As played standard.
Play 6-handed.
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Old 05-18-2007, 01:39 PM
Brad1970 Brad1970 is offline
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Default Re: 1-2 NL: bad luck or donkey play?

First hand: Happens to everybody. Nothing you can do there.

Second hand: He's telling you he has you beat. In your own words, he has tight preflop stats, so when he re-raises you preflop, bets on the flop, &amp; then goes all in after you checkraise him...shows alot of strength.
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Old 05-18-2007, 01:43 PM
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Default Re: 1-2 NL: bad luck or donkey play?

[ QUOTE ]
First hand: Happens to everybody. Nothing you can do there.

Second hand: He's telling you he has you beat. In your own words, he has tight preflop stats, so when he re-raises you preflop, bets on the flop, &amp; then goes all in after you checkraise him...shows alot of strength.

[/ QUOTE ]

But when we have $3 left after the c/r what can we do? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 05-18-2007, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: 1-2 NL: bad luck or donkey play?

Buy in full.

Hand 1: standard.
Hand 2: 4-bet push pf. As played, c/c flop on that board.
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Old 05-18-2007, 01:54 PM
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Default Re: 1-2 NL: bad luck or donkey play?

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[ QUOTE ]
First hand: Happens to everybody. Nothing you can do there.

Second hand: He's telling you he has you beat. In your own words, he has tight preflop stats, so when he re-raises you preflop, bets on the flop, &amp; then goes all in after you checkraise him...shows alot of strength.

[/ QUOTE ]

But when we have $3 left after the c/r what can we do? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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