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Old 05-18-2007, 02:34 AM
HOWMANY HOWMANY is offline
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Default He\'s on monkey tilt

Villain here is going absolutely bazonkos, trying to part with all his money ASAP. We just played the following hand:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.66 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.33 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls.

River: (11.33 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls.

Final Pot: 13.33 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qs Qc (three of a kind, queens).
MP has 7c Kc (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.33 BB. </font>

What now?

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.66 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.33 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (6.33 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ?</font>
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Old 05-18-2007, 02:39 AM
DeathDonkey DeathDonkey is offline
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Default Re: He\'s on monkey tilt

I check/call.

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Old 05-18-2007, 02:48 AM
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Default Re: He\'s on monkey tilt

hi howmany,

i bet this river because i think he calls with most pairs that don't include a flush a good amount of the time, unless if you think he will bluff at most rivers then i prefer a check. i also think an ape on tilt would try semi-bluffing the turn with a flush or straight draw, so i think his hand looks like a 2nd pair or worse trying to get to showdown.
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Old 05-18-2007, 02:49 AM
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Default Re: He\'s on monkey tilt

[ QUOTE ]
I check/call.

-DeathDonkey

[/ QUOTE ]

Doesn't he semi-bluff a spade though?

I vote bet/call.
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Old 05-18-2007, 03:38 AM
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Default Re: He\'s on monkey tilt

bet/call.

I think he bluff raises this river at least as often than he bluffs when checked to.
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:03 AM
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Default Re: He\'s on monkey tilt

I c/c but I guess I could see how b/c could be better. My reasoning for c/c is that I can't fold to a raise and I don't want to put 2bets in on the river with 4 to a flush out there. However if others have thought it through as to how often he would bluff raise, etc then you should listen to them [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].
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Old 05-18-2007, 02:54 PM
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Default Re: He\'s on monkey tilt

Doesn't he semi-bluff a spade though?

I vote bet/call.

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Old 05-18-2007, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: He\'s on monkey tilt

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I check/call.

-DeathDonkey

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah I think check/call is best here.

If we're giving him a spade semi bluff, what isn't he 3-betting pf or raising the flop with? The fact that he has just called both streets might me he actually calmed down. let him desperatly stab at a pot here just check/call.
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