aggresion

lexudin · #1 05-12-2007, 04:48 PM

tight table 2-3 players average per flop..should i be more aggresive? or am i worring abot pocket queens too much?

Party Poker 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB 3-bets, UTG folds, Hero caps, BB calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.70 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.70 BB

nomadtla · #2 05-12-2007, 05:05 PM

I'd raise again on the turn and call down if 3 bet. if he just calls your turn raise and donks the river then I would just call. If he checks the river then I'd bet.

akak · #3 05-12-2007, 08:08 PM

I'm assuming you have no reads here since you posted none. The donk on the turn definitely smells QQ or JJ to me. Without any reads, I'm playing this the exact same way.

Aaron_ · #4 05-12-2007, 08:40 PM

[ QUOTE ]
The donk on the turn definitely smells QQ or JJ to me.

[/ QUOTE ]
He's ahead if he has QQ or JJ

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #5 05-12-2007, 11:10 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I'd raise again on the turn and call down if 3 bet. if he just calls your turn raise and donks the river then I would just call. If he checks the river then I'd bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

marchron · #6 05-12-2007, 11:27 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I'd raise again on the turn and call down if 3 bet. if he just calls your turn raise and donks the river then I would just call. If he checks the river then I'd bet.

[/ QUOTE ]
I think we can consider ourselves WA/WB here. If he has the other AA we chop, if he has KK or AQ he has two outs, but if he has QQ or JJ we have two outs.

I'd rather let him keep betting with KK/AQ then open ourselves up to getting owned by a set.

unterfish · #7 05-13-2007, 12:08 AM

You have to raise here somewhere. Realling no, absolutely no WA/WB here. You are only crushed by one hand: QQ which is in the same time the most improbable.
Raise somewhere on the way. The conservative strategy is "Raise the flop", the "aggressive" strategy is "raise the turn", the (retarded) HPFAP strategy is "raise the river".

But, please, raise somewhere!

Bubble Bully · #8 05-13-2007, 12:03 PM

Look at what stakes you are playing! Your villain can easily have AQ or some silly hand that he can't let go of. I think that at the lower stakes you definitely have to pound on your opponents. Always take the aggressive line because it makes you more money than you save by playing conservative, and giving opponents too much respect.

Raise the TURN

make a decision on the RIVER

I'm almost always pounding this hand on every street.

Do you have a read on your opponent?

pirlouit · #9 05-24-2007, 08:55 AM

Hi guys,

Can't we add QJs on his range ?

It's so strange to donk the flop, call a raise and donk the turn.
Each time I saw that, the guy improved on the turn.
Thats seems like a QQ to me or a QJ.
Moreover, if he had KK why not 3bet on the flop (as he donked the turn) ?

Really seems like QQ or QJ to me.

But is 3bet PF with QJs possible ?
Maybe if he saw CO-raise as a steal or if he considered CO too agressive.

What do u think ?

Fantam · #10 05-24-2007, 09:26 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Hi guys,

Can't we add QJs on his range ?

It's so strange to donk the flop, call a raise and donk the turn.
Each time I saw that, the guy improved on the turn.
Thats seems like a QQ to me or a QJ.
Moreover, if he had KK why not 3bet on the flop (as he donked the turn) ?

Really seems like QQ or QJ to me.

But is 3bet PF with QJs possible ?
Maybe if he saw CO-raise as a steal or if he considered CO too agressive.

What do u think ?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, I think that you can add QJ to an unknown villains range.

By the way, dont forget that if villain did have QJ, that you would have 8 outs to improve to a better 2 pair or trips on the river.