NL200 - QTs - Good Time for a Second Barrel?

[pterodactyl_]

Villain was 29/5 over about 60 hands

Bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($190.50)
BB ($164.00)
UTG ($71.00)
UTG+1 ($192.00)
MP1 ($147.24)
Hero ($265.00)
CO ($118.50)
Button ($315.71)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, CO calls $8, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($19) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>, CO calls $15.

Turn: ($49) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $38</font>

[Cry Me A River]

Standard.

He seems very loose passive, I wouldn't double barrel here if an ace hadn't hit the turn. It's a double edged sword though because there's a decent chance he has Ax[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or A4/A5/AK.

[jhill3535]

I usually dont double barrel until I have a good feel for how often the villian folds to a c-bet. If he has a high fold to c-bet then I would never double barrel. If his fold to c-bet is less than 50% I would tend to fire a second barrel especially on a board like this and a turn card like that.

[BingBangBoom]

Ill take that line sometimes, but like almost never. Thats just my preference. But I will do it, especially because not only can u stack him if u hit your GS, but youll do wonders for your image if you get to show it down

[jhill3535]

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Ill take that line sometimes, but like almost never. Thats just my preference. But I will do it, especially because not only can u stack him if u hit your GS, but youll do wonders for your image if you get to show it down

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IMO image plays should only be made when the play has a chance to work. Don't go out firing 2 barrels just for the sake that it will look good for your image if you get called down. Do it because it has a good chance of winning the pot for you. If it doesn't work, then you can consider the metagame/image reprecussions and adjust accordingly.

This very similar to mixing up how you play hands. You shouldn't mix up how you play particular hands if one way is +EV and one is -EV. Save your mixing it up plays for situations where both choices have roughly the same EV.

[BingBangBoom]

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You shouldn't mix up how you play particular hands if one way is +EV and one is -EV.

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If your image is of any concern or in the game or level your playing (assuming your playing with thinking players or regulars), why not give up some EV now to gain lots of EV later. Again like I said I dont take this line often but I definately have it in my arsenal.

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Save your mixing it up plays for situations where both choices have roughly the same EV.

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Can you give any examples?

[jhill3535]

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You shouldn't mix up how you play particular hands if one way is +EV and one is -EV.

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If your image is of any concern or in the game or level your playing (assuming your playing with thinking players or regulars), why not give up some EV now to gain lots of EV later. Again like I said I dont take this line often but I definately have it in my arsenal.

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Save your mixing it up plays for situations where both choices have roughly the same EV.

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Can you give any examples?

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Open Limping or raising JJ-66 in EP and MP should have roughly the same EV.

Post flop wise alot of semibluffing opportunities fall in these catagories. If you are getting the correct pot odds to draw vs making a semibluff raise (or in some cases, push) should have close to the same EV.

I don't see any reason to bluff when you know it isn't going to work and that it is negative EV to do so. Sure there are times that making a -EV play can set you up for greater +EV situations later. My point was that if you have 2 options and one is +EV and the other is -EV, I don't think you can ever justify choosing the -EV one.

Save those mixing up/image plays for when you have 2 options that are both -EV or both +EV.

[pterodactyl_]

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Ill take that line sometimes, but like almost never. Thats just my preference. But I will do it, especially because not only can u stack him if u hit your GS, but youll do wonders for your image if you get to show it down

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IMO image plays should only be made when the play has a chance to work. Don't go out firing 2 barrels just for the sake that it will look good for your image if you get called down. Do it because it has a good chance of winning the pot for you. If it doesn't work, then you can consider the metagame/image reprecussions and adjust accordingly.

This very similar to mixing up how you play hands. You shouldn't mix up how you play particular hands if one way is +EV and one is -EV. Save your mixing it up plays for situations where both choices have roughly the same EV.

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You really think this is -EV? Explain why you think this is only an image building/metagame play? I think this works a good amount of the time.

[Renton]

nah, i wouldn't bet here given his stack size and that he's fishy.

[pterodactyl_]

Thats a very good point I hadnt really considered. If he has a full stack would you try this?