3-bet a medium pocket overpair on flop?

[Ugge]

Villian is something like 17/8/2.5, no other read.

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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, <font color="#cc3333">CO raises</font>, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.5SB, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc3333">CO raises</font>, 2 folds, Hero...

Do you raise or call? Or do you even fold?

Im thinking a 3-bet on the possibility that he has a flushdraw or overcards and is raising for a free card. Whats your line?

[borges]

I guess the standard line is to raise preflop with this hand....depending on
whether he called or 3-bet there, you have a little better idea of what you are up against.....

As played, given that he is aggressive, I can think of two lines:
1) call....if a blank falls check-raise the turn
2) go into WA/WB mode...call, check/call, bet

I'm lost in these situations, so I'm looking forward to some more informed opinions here, also.

[Hume]

I would have raised preflop which would have made this hand play differently [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

With this line I think you could either 3-bet the flop or call the flop and bet/fold most "safe" turn cards. I think the best line is to just call the flop in this case since you're actually an underdog on the flop to 2 overcards + a flush draw.

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 45.8586 % 45.86% 00.00% { 9h9s }
Hand 2: 54.1414 % 54.14% 00.00% { AdKd }

If the turn is a blank, your equity goes up a lot.

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 65.9091 % 65.91% 00.00% { 9h9s }
Hand 2: 34.0909 % 34.09% 00.00% { AdKd }

It will also be really hard for your opponent to raise the turn if he doesn't have you beaten so you can safely fold your hand if raised.

[kerowo]

I think it is a tossup whether to raise or call here. If villian is overplaying over cards he will probably figure out you have a pair of something and slow down on the turn if you raise. If you call and the turn is a blank you can probably get another c/r out of him. Then bet call the river if it is a blank as well. All of this assumes that villian doesn't have a bigger pp than you.

[borges]

I don't see the logic of 3-betting here. If you 3-bet, you have to lead out on the turn. If you think you're winning, why not smooth call and c/r and get an extra bet out of him.....if you're think you're behind, why put in an extra bet....the call, check-* line leaves a lot more options open, doesn't it?

[MrWookie]

You seem to be donking a lot of flops rather than c/r'ing or checking and seeing.

[Hume]

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You seem to be donking a lot of flops rather than c/r'ing or checking and seeing.

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You don't like this flop bet, or is it just a general comment? Considering everything (relative postion, board, #of players, previous action, stats, etc.) this looks like an easy flop-donk to me.

[Sarge85]

I go ahead and three bet - if he caps - I'll bet fold the turn.

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[Sarge85]

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You seem to be donking a lot of flops rather than c/r'ing or checking and seeing.

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I think these are both bad options.

If you go for a CR, in what would be an attempt to protect your hand - all that you are going to do is risk the chance that the players in front call one bet from the CO, and then probably call your CR.

Worse - maybe it get's check'ed through and then any over card falls and your sitting on your hands again because you really have no idea where you are at.

WA/WB is a good option too once if your able to get HU.

Though my own personal preference is to try and establish a plan for the rest of the hand early. WA/WB just leaves me an exit/continuation plan at the river -- that's just my personal opinion.

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[Ugge]

In this particular hand, wouldnt a check get me into more trouble? A check by me would often be followed by a bet from CO and then 2 people can choose to call only one bet. If they call we are in a worse spot then if they fold.