B&M 55 UTG

[Frond]

4/8 live. Hero is UTG with red 55 and limps, UTG+1 calls(no read), HJ calls(Loose PF guy and raises a lot of hands he continues with post flop), CO calls(Loose PF but tightens up Post flop but not very good), Button calls(ATC losing player,button also will frequently bet a lot of rivers when it is checked to him with anything), SB completes(is tight PF older guy ) and BB raps (is weak tight older guy).

Flop comes 5s 8h Qs , Blinds both check, Hero Bets, UTG+1 calls, HJ calls, CO calls, Button calls, Blinds both fold. Turn is the Qd, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, HJ calls, CO folds, Button calls. River is the Js. Hero is about to fire but looks at Button and quickly recalls that he likes to bet lots of rivers when it is checked to him. Hero Checks, All check and Hero spits up Chicken Gumbo.

Stupid river line for sure. Only reasons I was trying to get way to tricky and go for the river C/R was that button had been betting a lot on rivers and the spade on the river hopefully made someones flush. With this read on button is this ever worth doing? Probably not but thought I'd give it a shot. With this river card is this worthy of ever going for a C/R? In retrospect I shoulda just bet out.

Towel please!

[StrictlyStrategy]

Fold preflop.

River check is ok given your reads.


Variance: Just because something does or does not happen once doesn't mean it figures to be that way in the long run.

[Chino987]

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Fold preflop.



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awful, just awful.

you fold 55 pf in a game where it looks like 5-6 people are limping in regularly? LOL thats gotta be some of the worst advice i've ever seen on this forum.

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also even the most retarded villain is not going to bet the river when you've repped top pair (turned trips) the whole way and then spazzed out and checked. so bet it.

[fuzz66]

what does a C/R accomplish here? .even IF button bets, a raise is gonna get rid of HJ and button could fold. bet out and get the overcalls. limp is fine IMO.

[BigBadBabar]

call pf is standard
bet the river is standard
puke when you get raised is standard
don't get tricky, please, just value bet. stop trying to make crazy plays!

[StrictlyStrategy]

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puke when you get raised is standard

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I think you misread the board.

He filled on the turn and the river put the third spade up.

FWIW I would have bet, but mostly because there's a chance HJ might valueraise a hand now.(Sure he might CC your river CR but that's too optimistic) you seem really confident in your feeling that he'd bet the river, so I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Hero needs to learn that limping small pairs UTG can be a huge leak - and that small stakes live games can get very laggy very fast; you don't want to find yourself in two years playing fairly well except that you never ever fold a pocket pair preflop.

Folding PF is no way "the worst advice given on this forum"

Honestly, please.

[BigBadBabar]

ah he did boat up, yes i misread it, thanks
in that case why would you ever check the river
folding small pairs up front online in taggier games is fine
but, i've not seen a 4/8 live game yet where folding any pp pf from any position was the correct play
obviously it's read-based and if he says it's a soft game or whatever we have to go with it.
i think you might also consider that you're relatively new to the forum and without posting hands of your own at related limits, and establishing 'cred,' and only commenting on other hands, often very authoritatively, you might rile some folks up and elicit certain responses.

[StrictlyStrategy]

YOU SUCK


ahahaha, just kidding. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[BigBadBabar]

just trying to help out [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Bob T.]

If you don't bet, you can't threebet the guy that just made a flush.