live 6/12, KJs SB

[mntndrew]

Not sure about this at any street...

Hero dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the SB. 3 limpers, Hero completes, BB checks. Raise here?

Flop [4.7 SB]: K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, one fold, HJ raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 says, "OK....," chuckles and 3-bets, HJ calls, Hero calls. 3-bet HJ raise? There aren't really any draws out there.

Turn [6.8 BB]: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, HJ raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls all-in.

River [12.8 BB]: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero bets, HJ calls.

[BigBadBabar]

i think you're ahead of hj and behind utg+1. i would check3bet the turn. coldcalling 2 and donking the riv is gross.

[Frond]

Is a cap on the flop here a bad idea?

Why not bet out on the turn and the river?

[Grease]

I like PF.

I may or may not 3-town on the flop. If you think everyone might fold between you and the HJ (and if he raises here with any K) then I would lean towards 3-betting, but given the fact there are 0 draws on the flop, calling and reevaluating on the turn seems to be ok.

If you're going to check the turn, I think you should 3-town. You have a monster hand. Just calling here is really weak IMO, especially with UTG+1 all in.

[Grease]

I really, really don't like a bet/call/cap line on the flop. You're bloating the pot and tying yourself to it, as well as get the minimum amount of information from the other players while doing it. If you feel the need to cap the flop (which isn't a bad idea, necessarily), you should bet/3-bet the flop and see what happens. It just seems so spazzy to bet/call/cap. I think I'm just against it in principle, to be honest. It's probably not all that bad, but again, if you want to cap, just 3-bet when it gets back to you.

[invictus33]

I really want to know what hand someone call/3-towns with; especially when he is pretty much committed to going all in on this hand once he does that.

I hoped the only reason you were checking the turn was to get a c/r in. 3-bet that. Looks like HJ is on AK or AA and is trying to jam the pot. UTG has two cards at least.

If turn is capped after I 3-town then c/c the river, if not then b/c. I still think we're ahead of HJ a lot of time here, I'm guessing UTG had 88?

[Xhad]

Preflop: Raise this, always.

Flop: If I didn't see from later in the hand that UTG was nearly all-in I would say fold flop (a non-lunatic with a full stack in front of him has you smoked here), but given that he may just be stacking off I cap with the intention of starting a side pot, especially after HJ just calls the 3bet.

Turn/River: If your hand isn't good enough to 3bet the turn then your river bet sucks; basically what you're doing is letting HJ call when he's beat but raise when he's the favorite. I assume you aren't folding to a river raise, because you shouldn't be. Either 3bet turn or call and check/call river; given the slowplay-y flop call/turn raise I'm leaning toward the calldown.

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If turn is capped after I 3-town then c/c the river, if not then b/c.

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b/c this river is hideous unless you put in the last bet on the turn; if you want to bet/call this river you really need to think about what purpose your bet is serving.

[invictus33]

I bet/call the river because I still think we're ahead of HJ and he may be trying to take down the side pot with a semi-bluff raise. The bet is for value, the call is because I think he's FOS.

And I was implying that I only b/c when villian calls my 3-bet on the turn. If he caps then obviously I'm going to c/c. I really don't like a cold call on this turn.

[Xhad]

Apologies, I just realized I misread your post. Yes if we 3bet and don't get capped b/c is the only realistic river option.

[endo]

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I really, really don't like a bet/call/cap line on the flop.

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Eh? It's a Bet/call/call