Nut FD on flop...another draw question...

[hagbard celine]

Haven't been at the table long, but Villain has been very active PF and post flop.

Comments on PF and flop are greatly appreciated.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Seat 1: LFdM ($60.30)
Seat 2: Fidodell ($53.80)
Seat 3: SirDrinkalot ($41)
Seat 4: Fazz86 ($141.20)
Seat 5: pubic heir ($44.45)
Seat 6: puzzleman ($33.75)
pubic heir posts the small blind of $0.25
puzzleman posts the big blind of $0.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $4.5</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($9, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero?

You have 12 clean outs, check/call flop. reevaluate on turn

[agood]

I dont know about PF call here. Good chance he has overpair or trips postflop, so leading out wouldn't be very smart. If he has trips, hes betting big if he has an overpair hes probably not feeling great with that board but hes still going to see where hes at. If he has AK you have even less outs. You pretty much need to hit your flush on the turn, I think you got yourself into this mess with that loosy goosy preflop call.

[RunDownHouse]

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You have 12 clean outs, check/call flop. reevaluate on turn

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I feel like an idiot for not understanding why this is 12 and not 13 (9 spades and 4 Ks). Are you discounting because of splits, or what?

[theplux]

it's not a bad call PF if vilain is really active. but it's bad call if vilain is actually really good postflop. I like a check-call here and fold turn. Stop thinking about trips and overpair, this is SH, range is wilder than that on good player PF reraise. I would not like to see an A on the turn. K or any spades.

[DannyOcean_]

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You have 12 clean outs, check/call flop. reevaluate on turn

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I feel like an idiot for not understanding why this is 12 and not 13 (9 spades and 4 Ks). Are you discounting because of splits, or what?

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Because there are 4 kings, but one of them is a spade. We don't want to double count the Ks.

Also, I like the c/c line. if your villian has been active, fold equity is usually near zero in a reraised pot, so just check/call.

[corsakh]

Hero folds preflop.

[RunDownHouse]

Turns out I'm a huge idiot, thanks Ocean.

[Sense1ess]

I fold before the flop.

[hagbard celine]

This is a SH table, so ranges are much wider, both for villain raising, and for me calling, IMO.

For those c/cing, how big of a bet do you call?