2/4, QTs SB defence

henkeee · #1 05-10-2007, 05:47 AM

A couple of orbits into the game. Villain has been aggressive both pre and postflop. This is the third time we are involved in a blind fight and I've won both the previous ones w/ monsters getting good action. The previous one: Villain raise/call on btn vs me in SB w A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. He raises J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. He bet/calls 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and raise/cap 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] losing to my 88.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4.5BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets.. (figuring he would have raised an OESD on the flop)

Fold preflop? (This is what I use to do)
Turn 3bet?
What's your plan after this? C/c any scare card if he just calls?

Romulet · #2 05-10-2007, 05:56 AM

I like the 3 bet here I think it's too pretty to fold and you must resteal on the sb you can't let the BB in.
Once you hit the flop time to extract from our loose agressive opponent.
Your line above is top skill, you've bet your strong hand and he raised, it's Christmas, you're miles ahead(he's probably got AQ and looking for revenge.) If he's got a set oh well.....

TheWunderkind · #3 05-10-2007, 06:02 AM

you played it perfect

TheWunderkind · #4 05-10-2007, 06:05 AM

if he calls teh 3 bet and the River is a 8 or K you can b/f imho b/c the rest and 3 bet if you fill up up obv..if he caps you c/c basiclly any River in my book except an Ace

Oink · #5 05-10-2007, 06:56 AM

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if he calls teh 3 bet and the River is a 8 or K you can b/f imho b/c the rest and 3 bet if you fill up up obv..if he caps you c/c basiclly any River in my book except an Ace

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ARRRGH! Dont bloat the pot and then bet/fold against a tricky player!

@ OP

The hand is fine. Easy 3-bet preflop. Easy 3-bet on the turn. If a scare card falls c/c or b/c the river. If he caps the turn get to SD. Just dont fold!

There should be some way of public punishment of 2p2'ers who bet/folds against aggro tricky players in big pots when villains range up untill the bet/fold is huge. Shame on you wunderkind!

TheWunderkind · #6 05-10-2007, 07:38 AM

so you 3 bet the Turn he calls > River is an Ace of hearts > now there TQ9A 3 hearts on the Baord you bet > he raises> what do you beat???

" dont blow the pot and then fold for one bet vs aggro Players " while this is true as a a general statement i still can fold vs them on this Baord for one bet unless theyre spewtards> i bet you often said > " dont make general assumptions > play each Situation by itself "...but thats what youre doing here

If you can tell me a hand that we beat if teh River is an Ace then okay i might change my mind > but please dont say Ax

jakbse · #7 05-10-2007, 07:57 AM

On this board I just call the turn raise. I don't think your previous battle means that much, I'd probably cap it as well with the A-high flush and HU.

imitation · #8 05-10-2007, 08:02 AM

T9, Q9, JT

TheWunderkind · #9 05-10-2007, 08:04 AM

sry but they dont raise the River

Oink · #10 05-10-2007, 08:24 AM

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sry but they dont raise the River

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If you start bet/folding scare cards in big pots they will.

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" dont blow the pot and then fold for one bet vs aggro Players " while this is true as a a general statement i still can fold vs them on this Baord for one bet unless theyre spewtards> i bet you often said > " dont make general assumptions > play each Situation by itself "...but thats what youre doing here

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From the read posted by OP I think he is quite the spewtard.

I would never trust him enough to fold getting 13.5:1. His range when he raises the turn is huge containg all sorts of draws that wont make it with the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Even hands with marginal SD value will raise the river. Some players are THAT dumb. I see those retarded river bluffs just about every day. While it may not happen a lot on Ongame, you cant play 10 minutes of 5/T at party without seeing at least 1 sick retarded bluff, even with hands that has SD value. There is no way you are ever gonna convince me that bet/folding A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is good against this player in this spot. IMO its horrible! (No offense)