400nl, two strange spots for me.

[eggegg]

Hello!

Here are two spots where I wasn't sure whether to bet the turn or not, and all round awkward spots (I thought). Sorry no converter.

1st hand - Reads - Bob massive calling station.. v v bad, Bill doesn't seem great either, nothing more specific though.

NL $400 No Limit Holdem - *** 05 07 18:07:50 2007
Table Duvel (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: - ( $360.6 )
Seat 2: Hero ( $603.6 )
Seat 5: - ( $400 )
Seat 6: Bill ( $559.4 )
Seat 7: Bob ( $651.35 )
Seat 9: - ( $0 ) (sitout)
SB posts small blind [$2].
BB posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to Hero [ Kd Qd ]
- calls [$4].
Hero raises [$20].
Bill calls [$18].
Bob calls [$16].
- folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, 9s, 5d ]
Bill checks.
Bob checks.
Hero bets [$40].
Bill calls [$40].
Bob calls [$40].

** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
Bill checks.
Bob checks.
Hero bets [$100].
Bill calls [$100].
Bob calls [$100].

** Dealing River ** [ Ah ]
Bill checks.
Bob checks.


I was so lost there. Should I have checked the turn?


Hand 2 - Exactly the same Villains as hand 1.

NL $400 No Limit Holdem - *** 05 07 17:49:11 2007
Table Duvel (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 10: - ( $400 )
Seat 1: - ( $391 )
Seat 2: Hero ( $708.7 )
Seat 3: - ( $53.4 )
Seat 6: Bill ( $135 )
Seat 7: Bob ( $399.8 )
Hero posts small blind [$2].
- posts big blind [$4].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7d 5d ]
Bill calls [$4].
Bob calls [$4].
- folds.
- calls [$4].
Hero calls [$2].
- checks.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, 3s, 5c ]
Hero bets [$20].
- folds.
Bill calls [$20].
Bob calls [$20].
- folds.

** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
Hero bets [$50].
Bill calls [$50].
Bob raises [$100].
Hero calls [$50].
Bill goes All-in [$61].
Bob calls [$11].
Hero calls [$11].

** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]


I'm pretty sure thinking about this hand now, this is a bad turn card to bet on. Does everyone still bet, or check?

Comments on all streets, and plans for rivers please.

Oh, also it's just Bob and Bill for the purpose of this post [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[johnnyrocket]

these hands are super standard spots, hand #1 is a very very easy turn bet, maybe check/call river, why would an ace still be in? I might bet/fold river.

Hand #2 we should be 3 betting all in on the turn and it is a very easy bet also, idk why u'd check 2 pair and give a free card

both hands are very easy to bet for value on these streets

[eggegg]

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Hand #1 why would an ace still be in?

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Because as I stated, they are bad/ very bad.

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Hand #2 we should be 3 betting all in on the turn and it is a very easy bet also, idk why u'd check 2 pair and give a free card

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Because in my experience when a calling station like this minraises a bet like this with 2 players still in the pot, he can often beat middle 2?

Let me know if you think i'm way off here or anything, though.