QQ vs Ram Vaswani

Wayneo · #1 05-07-2007, 07:38 AM

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1070400

What's the play?

Background info: The game had been very aggressive, lots of raising and re-raising.

Dale Dough · #2 05-07-2007, 07:56 AM

I like it. If the game has been very aggressive, you won't know he has AA/KK until you lost a lot of chips. So given that you're gonna play and take it far, might as well shove now. Good chance he calls with a lower pair putting you on AK. If he has you beat, you were gonna lose anyway, and you might get some extra value out of his lower pairs now.

Chaoslord · #3 05-07-2007, 09:57 AM

i dont usually coldcall but this is a spot where i might.
folding is too tight if the game has been as agressive as you say and by shoving i think you fold out all worse hands and get called by AA,KK only.

hard to imagine getting away from the hand on a 442 flop for 100BB no matter how you play it though.

Dale Dough · #4 05-07-2007, 12:50 PM

It's relatively shorthanded right? And the game is aggressive? How is that a coldcall? Since you don't usually do that, does this means your alternative is to lay it down?

riverboatking · #5 05-07-2007, 12:55 PM

i dont get it...
the original raiser has 20K you have 17K and the other two players have less then 10K.

why shove?
i mean the only reason to shove rather then make it say $5600 is so original raiser wont shove AK, however i have a hard time thinking he's shoving 20K into the 4th bet preflop with AK so i don't really see the logic to the play.

Dale Dough · #6 05-07-2007, 01:02 PM

Crap, I overlooked the stack sizes. OK I'm an idiot.

If all have 10k, is it a shove then?

Wayneo · #7 05-07-2007, 01:17 PM

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Crap, I overlooked the stack sizes. OK I'm an idiot.

If all have 10k, is it a shove then?

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So I should raise to say 4k, leaving myself 5k behind, and then fold to a re-raise? This wouldn't look obvious that I have hand like queens? And ram might see this and push me off with anything?!

Chaoslord · #8 05-07-2007, 01:24 PM

why are you playing these stakes anyway? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

riverboatking · #9 05-07-2007, 01:34 PM

"So I should raise to say 4k, leaving myself 5k behind, and then fold to a re-raise? This wouldn't look obvious that I have hand like queens? And ram might see this and push me off with anything?!"

am i missing something?
how does raising to 4K leave you 5K behind????? you start the hand with 17K.

i think that mastering the basics of addition should be a prerequisite to playing 50/100NL.

Wayneo · #10 05-07-2007, 03:07 PM

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"So I should raise to say 4k, leaving myself 5k behind, and then fold to a re-raise? This wouldn't look obvious that I have hand like queens? And ram might see this and push me off with anything?!"

am i missing something?
how does raising to 4K leave you 5K behind????? you start the hand with 17K.

i think that mastering the basics of addition should be a prerequisite to playing 50/100NL.

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Wow sorry, Im sure that somehow the information has got mixed up, cos in my head I keep thinking 9k, The hand was 2 years ago. Not sure why I keep thinking I have 9k

But anyway am I going to be able to lay down QQ to a player like Ram? Who has been super aggressive. (Just remembered he tried to bluff me, and thats how I got to 16k, and I sat with 9, now it makes sense)

TheSalmon, doesn't have to have a hand. PokerGirl1 will re-raise with ALL the biggish hands AA,KK,QQ,JJ,AK and sometimes TT. I think looking back the push is wreckless, this is why I have posted it now after experience. I would just like to know, if anyone still could get away from it.I've been thinking about it for 2 years, and not sure how I could vs this particular person. Raise to 4k is the right play though in hind sight.