BR Management for Moving Up

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I'm just wondering what are some plans BR management wise for moving up. I've read the 20 buy in type tying, and that's how I started. I started with $250, played $.05/$.10 until I got to $500. Then I played $.10/$.25 but I lost 2.5 buy ins and went back to $.05/$.25. I bought in for 100BB when I went to $.10/$.25.

I'm just about back to the $500 mark again. I'm just wondering what the best plan is to break into the next level. Do you take x # of buy ins in and that's it or what? Should I buy in short and play that game for a bit or what?

Any one care to share the way they've done it?

Thx.

[jhill3535]

I think it really depends on how many tables you play. I would play 2 tables on ~10 buyins at levels I was comfortable playing. I wouldn't recommend it to others. I think 15 buyins is plenty to take a shot, but I would move back down as soon as I lost 2 buyins.

Never skip levels, and put in at least 30k hands at each level.

Currently I 6-table NL200 on a 3k online BR. I plan to move up to NL400 after 30k hands with hopefully about 6k BR. I will start with 2 tables and add an extra table for each buyin a pick up until back up to 6 tables.

Anyway, that is my plan. I can't stand playing levels below NL200. However I have beaten levels up to NL400 previously.

I also find it good to pay yourself along the way. I try to pay myself at least $25/hr weekly regardless of how I do.

[Das Budrick]

I've been looking for a while for a post I made about this recently that got some decent replies but I simply can't find it... argh.

I too started playing 10nl with a $200 BR. After about 20k hands I was at about $400 and moved up to 25NL and stayed there despite losing 4 buy ins. Playing with 11-12 BI bankroll was kinda stressful but I have grinded my BR up to 30 BI since. I'm going to move up to 50nl when i have $1000. I suggest the same to you.

In my case and also probably yours, a decent amount of experience is gained from the 20k+ hands needed to make 20 BI (this is 5 ptbb/100). After such experience/time put in you would most likely be ready for the next level, in this case 50nl. And if you can beat 25nl, you can easily beat 50nl as well.

So yeah I would go for having 20 BI for the level you will move up to, at the higher levels I think people like to have more, maybe 30+ BI but at the micro stakes its not as important.

[raistlinx]

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I think 15 buyins is plenty to take a shot, but I would move back down as soon as I lost 2 buyins.

Never skip levels, and put in at least 30k hands at each level.

Currently I 6-table NL200 on a 3k online BR. I plan to move up to NL400 after 30k hands with hopefully about 6k BR. I will start with 2 tables and add an extra table for each buyin a pick up until back up to 6 tables.


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This is all good advice

[checkmate36]

30k hands at each level sounds like a ton. Im sure you guys know best but that kind of surprised me.

I guess it can't hurt you in any way. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[QTip]

30k hands huh? Well...I'm a ways from that. I only have about 10k hands in of .05/.10 NL in now. I've run well at about 11ptbb/100. I have a lot of limit experience, and used to play with some pretty big numbers there, which makes the micros painful. Oh well....how about this plan. I'll go to either 30k hands or $600...whichever comes first. Then, I'll take 4 buy ins and head to $.10/$.25. At the moment, I play anywhere from 4-8 tables. I played 8-10 of limit a year ago. Sound like a decent plan?

[QTip]

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I will start with 2 tables and add an extra table for each buyin a pick up until back up to 6 tables.

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I like that.

[jhill3535]

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30k hands at each level sounds like a ton. Im sure you guys know best but that kind of surprised me.

I guess it can't hurt you in any way. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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If you are playing 6-8 tables it really isn't all that much.

You can get there with 1k hands a night in 1 month. I usualy play 6 tables and on weeknights play about 500-600 hands in 1-1.5 hour session.

If you are beating a level at 5ptbb/100 and you play 30k hands you have won 3000 Big Blinds or 30 buyins. If you started with 20 buyins you have doubled your bankroll and can also pay yourself 10 buyins for your time (fun money). Now you have 20 buyins at the next level.

If you move up after 30k hands and struggle, move back down for another 30k hands.

30k hands sounds like an awful lot, and it is for part time players (like me), but there are alot of players that play 100-120k hands per month.

[jhill3535]

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30k hands huh? Well...I'm a ways from that. I only have about 10k hands in of .05/.10 NL in now. I've run well at about 11ptbb/100. I have a lot of limit experience, and used to play with some pretty big numbers there, which makes the micros painful. Oh well....how about this plan. I'll go to either 30k hands or $600...whichever comes first. Then, I'll take 4 buy ins and head to $.10/$.25. At the moment, I play anywhere from 4-8 tables. I played 8-10 of limit a year ago. Sound like a decent plan?

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I think it sounds like a good play, you can probably move up much faster with the experience that you have had. Also if you are beating it that bad, you shouldn't have any problems moving up a bit sooner. Once you hit NL100 I think I would try to put in the 30k hands though before moving up to NL200 and so on.

I know that I am a noob on this board but I have daily discussions about hands with a very close friend, and I have found that this board is very helpful. Post up a hand or two from each session and be active in discussion about yours and others hands. Even if you don't know if what you are saying is optimal talking about hands is very helpful. I am sorry, I ramble.

[CPHoya]

I think I'm a little unorthodox compared to these guys, and you should probably defer to them. However, I've felt pretty comfortable taking shots whenever I have 14+ buyins for the next level. To do this I'll work in one level of the higher table while I play 2 or 3 of the lower tables. If I'm comfortable, I'll play 2 and 2. I'll move down if I lose three of the higher buy-ins quickly.

I haven't figured out a good plan to stay at a level. If, for instance, you go on a massive heater and it seems like you totally own one level, you do not. But, you will have a nice cushion.

Example:




That is as close to worthless as information can possibly be. It doesn't mean much at all about my ability, or the play at 100NL. On the other side of the coin, I now have about 20 buy-ins at 100NL and I feel comfortable playing 3 tables for the time being. If I go on a downswing where I feel like I lost because I made mistakes that were due to inexperience, or if I was outplayed brutally, I'll move back down when I get back down to $1,500.

One thing I think should be said: the play at 25NL is so unthinking and standard - that does not mean easy to beat - that I don't really think you're learning much of anything. Honestly. Maybe preflop ranges and how to be aware of position. But 30,000 hands at 25NL is diminishing returns imo.

At 50NL you'll finally meet resistance and aggression, and some of your good plays will actually pay off because some player's lines mean something. It's also kind of a nitfest at the wrong table.

I don't see how you improve at any reasonable rate if you stick with the 25NL games.