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Old 05-05-2007, 10:42 PM
ocdscale ocdscale is offline
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Default Combo Draw, too fast?

No reads on villain, but he was running 25/1.4/2 (yes, PFR of 1.35%) over ~70 hands.

My understanding is that a lot of value from combo draws is fold equity, was shoving too much?

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Button ($15.10)</font>
SB ($47.15)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($25.70)</font>
UTG ($25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.60) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $25.95 (All-In)</font>
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Old 05-05-2007, 10:48 PM
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Default Re: Combo Draw, too fast?

A OESFD is favorite to anything but a set. Plan to get it AI as fast as possible, so this is pretty standard. I might reraise to ~$8 and go AI on the turn.

You actually have FE, since villain did NOT raise pf.
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Old 05-05-2007, 11:19 PM
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Default Re: Combo Draw, too fast?

I would probably just call here.

Villain just basically gave you a free card with a giant draw, so why not keep the pot manageable until we have more than ten high?
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Old 05-05-2007, 11:41 PM
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Default Re: Combo Draw, too fast?

I think shoving is a little much. Raising to $5 or so gets 1/3 of his stack in and a PSB on the turn puts him all in. If you get there on the turn he may call. If you dont get there on the turn, you may push him off a weak queen.
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Old 05-05-2007, 11:54 PM
Keys Myaths Keys Myaths is offline
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Default Re: Combo Draw, too fast?

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I would probably just call here.

Villain just basically gave you a free card with a giant draw, so why not keep the pot manageable until we have more than ten high?

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Because we're more than 50% to win this hand. We want all the money in here. Plus, if we push it hard, he might fold, and we get free money.
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: Combo Draw, too fast?

No raise preflop?

(Yes, I know you're "out of position a drawing hand")
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:27 AM
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Default Re: Combo Draw, too fast?

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I would probably just call here.

Villain just basically gave you a free card with a giant draw, so why not keep the pot manageable until we have more than ten high?

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Because we're more than 50% to win this hand. We want all the money in here. Plus, if we push it hard, he might fold, and we get free money.

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Pushing $26 into a ~2.50 pot with a OESFD is +EV?
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:32 AM
IshiP2U IshiP2U is offline
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Default Re: Combo Draw, too fast?

That depends on Villain's calling range....
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:43 AM
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Default Re: Combo Draw, too fast?

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I would probably just call here.

Villain just basically gave you a free card with a giant draw, so why not keep the pot manageable until we have more than ten high?

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Because we're more than 50% to win this hand. We want all the money in here. Plus, if we push it hard, he might fold, and we get free money.

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Pushing $26 into a ~2.50 pot with a OESFD is +EV?

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Yes. Whether it's AS EV+ as other options is up for debate, but it is 100% EV+ against everything but sets.
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Old 05-06-2007, 04:09 AM
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Default Re: Combo Draw, too fast?

Why not just reraise to 5.. and shove any turn.
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