Turning another players cards

[72over]

Game: NLHoldem tourney.

Hand history isn't too important so wont go into too much detail. Was a noisey game with plenty of drink involved.

All players fold to button who raises. SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: Ad Ts 2c

BB bets half-pot
Button raises x3
BB thinks for a bit and goes all-in
Back to the button who pauses for thought. The BB flipped over his own cards out of turn revealing pocket 88's and then went and turned his opponents cards face up revealing JQs. The BB claimed he thought they were both all-in.

Tournament director had never seen this happen before and either had I. Decision was made that The BB's hand was voided and the pot went to the Button (the pot before the BB's all-in)

If there is an official ruling or any thoughts on this, please let me know.

Cheers

[Kal With A K]

It's unimportant why, because there is never any legitimate reason to touch another player's cards if you're not the dealer. If you're the dealer, you're only permitted to deal and muck cards, never to flip over a player's cards.

[72over]

My question wasn't why. I'm looking for what should happen next in this situation?

Many thanks

[KipBond]

In a tournament, you will be penalized for revealing your cards when there's still action left.

http://www.homepokertourney.com/showcards.htm
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Intentionally showing cards

You are not allowed to show any of your cards during poker tournament play.

Roberts Rules of Poker. Section 15 - Tournaments

21. Showing cards from a live hand during the action injures the rights of other players still competing in an event, who wish to see contestants eliminated. A player may not show any cards during a deal (unless the event has only two remaining players). If a player deliberately shows a card, the player may be penalized (but his hand will not be ruled dead). Verbally stating one’s hand during the play may be penalized.

For a first-time offence, giving an offending player a verbal warning is probably the most appropriate course of action. However, if this is a recurring problem, or very blatant, a time penalty (10 minutes?) might be appropriate. A player must post blinds but is not allowed to play a hand during a time penalty.

If a player does intentionally show any card to any player ...

Roberts Rules of Poker. Section 3 - The Showdown

6. If you show cards to an active player during a deal, any player at the table has the right to see those exposed cards. Cards shown during or after a deal to a player not in the pot should be shown to all players when the deal is finished.

This is known as the "show one, show all" rule.

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[PantsOnFire]

I don't know the official ruling on this other than it is very unusual to kill a live hand in a circumstance like this. Most rulings that kill a hand are very specific and flipping over cards early is not one of them.

My own personal decision would be to give the option to the button of calling the all-in or leaving his current bet in the pot, having BB take back his raise and playing out the hand for the reduced pot. Then obviously give BB a KITN and a warning or even a time penalty.

[72over]

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In a tournament, you will be penalized for revealing your cards when there's still action left.

http://www.homepokertourney.com/showcards.htm
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Intentionally showing cards

You are not allowed to show any of your cards during poker tournament play.

Roberts Rules of Poker. Section 15 - Tournaments

21. Showing cards from a live hand during the action injures the rights of other players still competing in an event, who wish to see contestants eliminated. A player may not show any cards during a deal (unless the event has only two remaining players). If a player deliberately shows a card, the player may be penalized (but his hand will not be ruled dead). Verbally stating one’s hand during the play may be penalized.

For a first-time offence, giving an offending player a verbal warning is probably the most appropriate course of action. However, if this is a recurring problem, or very blatant, a time penalty (10 minutes?) might be appropriate. A player must post blinds but is not allowed to play a hand during a time penalty.

If a player does intentionally show any card to any player ...

Roberts Rules of Poker. Section 3 - The Showdown

6. If you show cards to an active player during a deal, any player at the table has the right to see those exposed cards. Cards shown during or after a deal to a player not in the pot should be shown to all players when the deal is finished.

This is known as the "show one, show all" rule.

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Thanks but what happened is straight after the player showed his hand, he turned the opponents cards up too. The opponent had yet to act.

[TheTourist]

A lot of rules violations could be avoided if whoever is running the home games make up a little 'House Rules' sheet or whatever. If you break them, it doesn't matter why you did it, you have to pay the price. Any player should know not to touch another player's cards; it's common sense.

[runout_mick]

Button was only slightly violated here, and bb's hand should DEFINITELY not be killed. If the tournament director thought that a penalty was appropriate, a 10 minute sitout would be more than adequate, although I'd personally let this one go with a warning.

[7n7]

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Button was only slightly violated here, and bb's hand should DEFINITELY not be killed. If the tournament director thought that a penalty was appropriate, a 10 minute sitout would be more than adequate, although I'd personally let this one go with a warning.

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There was discussion about this in another forum. At the WSOP, it's a penalty for the first offense, either time, or I've now heard they're talking about penalizing you a set # of hands that you have to sit.

In some of the tourneys I play in local casinos, the hand is dead.

It's not exactly industry-standard yet.

Was this a home tourney? If so, I'd suggest an atomic wedgie followed by a red-belly.

[KipBond]

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Thanks but what happened is straight after the player showed his hand, he turned the opponents cards up too. The opponent had yet to act.

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Irrelevant since the BB was all-in. If the BB did this before going all-in... well... I'd say disqualification from the tournament. Unacceptable.