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Old 05-03-2007, 08:05 PM
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Villain is LAG

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB
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Old 05-03-2007, 08:06 PM
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Default Re: blind battle

I hate folding this in a steal situation but that is just a disgusting turn card.
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Old 05-03-2007, 09:33 PM
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yeah, i think dumping it here is fine, even vs a lag
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Old 05-03-2007, 09:34 PM
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yeah fold the turn but after this and your ace high call down hand I'm sensing a pattern. stop making big hands pf with marginal showdown hands that you could easily need to fold later. keep the pot small until you have a good one. let him bluff when you look weak.
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Old 05-03-2007, 09:37 PM
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if i not fold teh Flop i think this Turn is good card to fold because it hits 2 of his obv draws&gt; think about folding the Flop too &gt; if the Lag can raise gutters A high and sixes here you have to calldown imho but the J is one of teh worst possibel possible cards that can hit besides a T/8/6 or Ace so fold is okay
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Old 05-03-2007, 10:03 PM
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if we just call preflop, then what? c/c, c/f?
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Old 05-03-2007, 11:54 PM
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stop making big hands pf with marginal showdown hands that you could easily need to fold later. keep the pot small until you have a good one. let him bluff when you look weak.


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The problem with this is you are relying on very incomplete information when you try to make your "solid" folds later on in the hand. In other words, you'll make more mistakes if you don't 3-bet your pocket pairs against a blind steal. Always put the pressure on the other guy...make him beat you--don't ever be in a position where you can outthink yourself.
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Old 05-04-2007, 12:02 AM
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it just doesn't matter how you play it. you just have to be good at doing one or the other. its not like hes never going to cap 22 vs. your 3-bet. then you'll end up cfing AT4, KQ3, etc. i'm sure he'll also cap T9s/JTo/A2o and other junk as well.

this is why it's hard to play oop against wide ranges. there's no easy way around it. ideally you can just avoid playing at this table unless the guy is super bad anyway. otherwise you just take your lumps.
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Old 05-04-2007, 12:22 AM
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stop making big hands pf with marginal showdown hands that you could easily need to fold later. keep the pot small until you have a good one. let him bluff when you look weak.


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The problem with this is you are relying on very incomplete information when you try to make your "solid" folds later on in the hand. In other words, you'll make more mistakes if you don't 3-bet your pocket pairs against a blind steal. Always put the pressure on the other guy...make him beat you--don't ever be in a position where you can outthink yourself.

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ok so ... easy fold right???????
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Old 05-04-2007, 12:44 AM
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it just doesn't matter how you play it. you just have to be good at doing one or the other. its not like hes never going to cap 22 vs. your 3-bet. then you'll end up cfing AT4, KQ3, etc. i'm sure he'll also cap T9s/JTo/A2o and other junk as well.


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good point.
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