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Old 05-03-2007, 08:03 PM
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Default Ace high call down

Villain is LAG

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB
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Old 05-03-2007, 09:32 PM
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Default Re: Ace high call down

i would need a better read than "LAG" before calling the river. normally I call the turn. if I call the river I'd rather not 3bet pf.
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Old 05-03-2007, 09:38 PM
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call PF, call flop, call turn, call river [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Since you 3banged PF, I'd probably fold the river without a read. Who knows, probalby close either way.
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Old 05-03-2007, 09:40 PM
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this is bad &gt; i can fold teh Flop here but i dont know wich games you play &gt; maybe donks are always bluffs there so it would good then &gt; preflop is good too in my book vs LAG
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Old 05-03-2007, 10:19 PM
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Default Re: Ace high call down

I always 3 bet this PF. After the flop I guess I fold to his donk but I dont feel good about it.
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Old 05-03-2007, 10:51 PM
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i would need a better read than "LAG" before calling the river.

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The guy was loose aggressive. I don't have specific hands stored in memory but that's what the dude was.


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Since you 3banged PF, I'd probably fold the river without a read.

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I understand the reasoning here but I disagree with it. If anything, I argue that because of the 3-bet you have to call the river. And I did have a read: He was LAG.
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Old 05-03-2007, 11:19 PM
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lol what means LAG? LAG can mean so much &gt; in my games youre toast from teh Flop on...
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Old 05-03-2007, 11:24 PM
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lol what means LAG?

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LAG means he plays significantly more hands than is optimal and often plays them too fast.
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Old 05-04-2007, 12:32 AM
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that doesnt mean your supposed to call him down here &gt; if your LAG isnt maniacal

Really a read wich is "lAG" is pretty much worhless deciding what to do Postflop &gt; anyway you should fold vs everyone if you dont have a read what his Donk means or if you have a feeling then calldown and when youre wrong dont listen you shouldnt listen to your feelings very often.

In fact this is a tough spot imho but as a general line when your read is " LAG just fold Flop imho....thats what I do
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Old 05-04-2007, 01:03 AM
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Default Re: Ace high call down

Two options:

1. 3 bet preflop. Either raise or fold the flop bet (it depends on LAG).
2. Just call preflop and raise any flop. If SB 3bets, you can either fold or call and fold turn UI.
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