KK in bb, with many limp callers

[Kyle Flynn]

I'm curious as to what people feel is the best play for this hand preflop, and then on the flop.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t15/t30
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t2435
UTG+1: t4305
MP1: t2930
MP2: t2925
MP3: t2740
CO: t2960
Button: t2705
SB: t2250
Hero: t3750

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t30 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t45)</font>, 3 folds, MP3 calls t30 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t75)</font>, CO calls t30 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t105)</font>, Button calls t30 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t135)</font>, SB folds, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t210</font>, UTG calls t180 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t345)</font>, MP3 calls t180 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t525)</font>, CO calls t180 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t705)</font>, Button calls t180 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t885)</font>.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t1065, 5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero ???</font>, 4 players behind to act.


Should you make PSB once you get to the flop?

[fluorescenthippo]

PF is fine, now make a big bet

[PantsOnFire]

I bet pot here. And I probably go all-in if anyone pushes. That board don't look like two pair or a straight draw is likely and AA should have reraised preflop. I someone hit a set, that's poker. I can see an A high flush draw coming over the top and even AJ, QQ or perhaps TT getting overly frisky.

[betgo]

I think you have to get the money in, but with that many players you could be up against a set.

I don't see the point in betting pot. I would just lead for like 700. Obviously, you get the rest in on the turn. You could even consider playing for a checkraise.

This looks like low buyin with so many limp/callers.

[nath]

I'd just lead big, anyone who wants to get it in will

I probably raise even more PF, too, but that's just me

[betgo]

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I'd just lead big, anyone who wants to get it in will

I probably raise even more PF, too, but that's just me

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I think a leading like 2/3 pot is best, as it defines your hand less.

The action implies this is a loose low buyin game. Since you got so many callers, it seems like an even larger preflop raise would have been better. However, I wasn't there and sometimes you either get many callers or one or no callers, since speculative limping hands will come along if it looks like a multiway pot.

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I probably raise even more PF, too, but that's just me

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Nope, it's me too.

The 3+limper rule is fine when you're in position, but I like to pop it up more when I know I'm going to be OOP because I really don't want to have to play this hand against all those bastards who limped.

[omaha]

Okay, question for those who would have raised more (being oop).

What would you raise to?

ANd, obviously, this is a brilliant flop for us, and it will be easier to get the money in if we raise more pf.

Also, if the J was an A, how would we proceed against 4 callers of the raise? I think a CF is best in this (horrid but common) scenario

[registrar]

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Okay, question for those who would have raised more (being oop).

What would you raise to?



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I make it 3-400 at a low buyin, which this looks like given the action.

[anotherFliplost]

Is this a rebuy tourney? Stacks seem pretty high for the 15/30 level in a freeze-out. Because if it is a rebuy, I'm just pushing (and often just pushing preflop, depending on the buy-in).