$50+5 freezeout against bad villian, hand will come in stages

[Patrio]

Villian is a bad player who will stack off with JJ, after a utg limp/re-raise + 4bet all in, hence his stack. He bets high with ok hands (he bet 12xbb after one limp with JJ, and did it with AThh next orbit) If he was the preflop agressor, he will bluff on all streets if villian just calls. I will present hand in stages.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t3230)
UTG (t2610)
UTG+1 (t2960)
MP1 (t4295)
MP2 (t4490)
MP3 (t2460)
CO (t2795)
Button (t3005)
Hero (t4035)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero ?

I think this is easy but you never know..

[misclick odds]

fold

[ItalianFX]

I guess call and see a flop, but then BB has the opportunity to make a move. And then what? What if he checks and the board is overcards?

Call and hope to see a flop, check/fold if you miss. However, I think it's really close with the unsuitedness of this hand.

[Patrio]

I know you are trying to be funny, but IMHO you failed misserably.. Or if you were serious please explain why. And please dont be a dick

[misclick odds]

cause T8o sucks OOP

[ItalianFX]

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I know you are trying to be funny, but IMHO you failed misserably.. Or if you were serious please explain why. And please dont be a dick

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I didn't think saying "fold" was that funny. Some people don't explain right away, which does take away from the discussion because simply saying the move doesn't get us anywhere. However, it really is the simple solution to the hand. The hand is unsuited. BB is left to act. You'll be out of position. What are you hoping for?

Edit: Oh yeah, if you are saying, raise or call, and then flop a big hand...blame it on variance.

[Patrio]

Preflop is not the interesting part of this hand so I will just go ahead to interesting part.. What do I do on this flop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t3230)
UTG (t2610)
UTG+1 (t2960)
MP1 (t4295)
MP2 (t4490)
MP3 (t2460)
CO (t2795)
Button (t3005)
Hero (t4035)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t90) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ?

[ItalianFX]

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Preflop is not the interesting part of this hand so I will just go ahead to interesting part.. What do I do on this flop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t3230)
UTG (t2610)
UTG+1 (t2960)
MP1 (t4295)
MP2 (t4490)
MP3 (t2460)
CO (t2795)
Button (t3005)
Hero (t4035)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t90) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ?

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HAHA, I KNEW IT! YOU FLOPPED A BIG HAND.

Take note of my "Edit" in my post above, which was posted before you posted the flop.

Ok. so bet 90 on the flop. NEXT!

[Patrio]

So we dont call t15 against a superfishy villian who is limping with top 80% of his hands? (Sorry if I missed that part out)

[ItalianFX]

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So we dont call t15 against a superfishy villian who is limping with top 80% of his hands? (Sorry if I missed that part out)

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Well the thing is, we are out of position. If we totally miss, there is no way we are taking him off a hand unless he has absolute trash. What if the board comes all over cards, you bet and he calls? You check the turn, he bets, and you have to fold unimproved. Yes, the implied odds are there if you flop a big hand, but that is all you can hope for.