10NL (9Max): AK line check

Jay.Yang · #1 05-02-2007, 01:57 AM

Villain 35/8 over 1.6k hands. She's one of the 2+2'er...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($5.85)
SB ($5.90)
BB ($9.75)
UTG ($13.25)
UTG+1 ($10.25)
MP1 ($7.80)
MP2 ($9.75)
Hero ($9.85)
CO ($9)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.5, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.40.

Flop: ($1.15) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.8, UTG calls $0.80.

Turn: ($2.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $3, UTG calls $2.

River: ($8.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $8.75

Jurrr · #2 05-02-2007, 02:09 AM

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Villain 35/8 over 1.6k hands. She's one of the 2+2'er...

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I would just call turn I think.

Jay.Yang · #3 05-02-2007, 02:12 AM

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Villain 35/8 over 1.6k hands. She's one of the 2+2'er...

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I would just call turn I think.

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Why just call the Turn? I guess this has nothing to do with her stats, but because she's 2+2'er?

Jurrr · #4 05-02-2007, 02:35 AM

No, because unless she has diamonds then you are WA/WB. And if she has diamonds then to price her out now you have to raise more and that pot-commits you for your whole stack with TPTK.

Das Budrick · #5 05-02-2007, 03:45 AM

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No, because unless she has diamonds then you are WA/WB. And if she has diamonds then to price her out now you have to raise more and that pot-commits you for your whole stack with TPTK.

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ya rly i think this a good spot to check behind and c/c river unless you have a read on villain that he (she?) frequently makes blocking bets or retarded value donk bets with a 2nd best hand

Ampelmann · #6 05-02-2007, 04:30 AM

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ya rly i think this a good spot to check behind and c/c river unless you have a read on villain that he (she?) frequently makes blocking bets or retarded value donk bets with a 2nd best hand

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Checking behind on the turn is tough.

If I check the river and then have to call a bet I'm out of this site forever.

Ampelmann · #7 05-02-2007, 04:31 AM

I only call the turn. By raising you pump up the pot with only a pair and basically commit yourself to call a big river bet in case villain has a real hand.

Jay.Yang · #8 05-02-2007, 01:23 PM

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ya rly i think this a good spot to check behind and c/c river unless you have a read on villain that he (she?) frequently makes blocking bets or retarded value donk bets with a 2nd best hand

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Checking behind on the turn is tough.

If I check the river and then have to call a bet I'm out of this site forever.

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What do you guys mean by checking behind the Turn? She bets out on the Turn tho

Jay.Yang · #9 05-02-2007, 01:31 PM

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No, because unless she has diamonds then you are WA/WB. And if she has diamonds then to price her out now you have to raise more and that pot-commits you for your whole stack with TPTK.

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Yeah, that make sense. The disadvantage of calling the turn is if she leads out 1/2 pot bet on River, then what would we do. I know this now depends on a read, but assume that she's a standard TAG and a bit tricky.

I guess by raising the Turn, I can easily fold if she leads out on River. Or I can check down to go to showdown relatively cheap (which is the case here) in comparison to calling the Turn and calling 1/2 psb on River.

zman2245 · #10 05-02-2007, 02:09 PM

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No, because unless she has diamonds then you are WA/WB. And if she has diamonds then to price her out now you have to raise more and that pot-commits you for your whole stack with TPTK.

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Yeah, that make sense. The disadvantage of calling the turn is if she leads out 1/2 pot bet on River, then what would we do. I know this now depends on a read, but assume that she's a standard TAG and a bit tricky.

I guess by raising the Turn, I can easily fold if she leads out on River. Or I can check down to go to showdown relatively cheap (which is the case here) in comparison to calling the Turn and calling 1/2 psb on River.

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I like your line Jay as long as that was your plan. I think it was fine that you essentially set your price on the turn then planned on folding to further aggression.