Casino ruling on reraising an all-in

[Lottery Larry]

We're not sure of the correct answer for this one over in Home Poker:


Lets say we have the following:

Small Blind: 100
Big Blind: 200
UTG: Announces "I raise." and puts out 600 in chips.
UTG+1: Goes all in for 900.
UTG+2: Announces "I re-raise."

What is the MINIMUM that UTG+2 can raise to?

T1300?

T1000?


Is the answer different for a cash game, if the "full bet for a raise" rule is in effect?

Thanks

[BaldEaglePkr]

As a floor I would rule the minimum raise was an additional $400 so $1300. Since the first raise was from 200-600, the all-in from 600-900 does not reduce the "raise amount" back down to 300, nor does it allow you to "finish his bet" to 1000. If you want to call 900 fine.. if you want to raise make it 1300.

[scott2130]

As far as I know, any raise that is not an all-in, has to be double the previous raise. So in this case, I would say the re-raise has to be at least 1800.

[Georgia Avenue]

Isn't it 900 straight to UTG+2? So 900-200=700c raise. So min raise=700 more--1400 total.

Fuzzy math? Fussy math? You decide.
--GA

Now this looks wrong...I don't know...ask a floorman...FLOOR!

[Lottery Larry]

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As far as I know, any raise that is not an all-in, has to be double the previous raise. So in this case, I would say the re-raise has to be at least 1800.

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No, if A raises from 200 to 600 and B raises from 600 to 1200, C isn't required to raise to 2200.

At least, that's how I read your statement above.

[bigfishead]

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We're not sure of the correct answer for this one over in Home Poker:


Lets say we have the following:

Small Blind: 100
Big Blind: 200
UTG: Announces "I raise." and puts out 600 in chips.
UTG+1: Goes all in for 900.
UTG+2: Announces "I re-raise."

What is the MINIMUM that UTG+2 can raise to?

T1300?

T1000?


Is the answer different for a cash game, if the "full bet for a raise" rule is in effect?

Thanks

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in NL/PL nothing is a raise until it's the full amount. So in this case there has been only one rause thus far. It's the $400 raise to $600. The bet of $900 is not a raise. Hence the MINIMUM UTG+2 may raise it to is $1000. Thats $400 more than the $600 bet for the mathematically misinformed.

1/2 bets 1/2 raises mean nothing in NL/PL. They are just bets and do not reopen betting when they are made as such in an all-in situation.

[RichS]

Even though the 900 is not a legal raise, it is a legal bet. A raise must be 'the raise amount' over the 'previous bet or raise'.

My read:
UTG sets the raise amount to 400
UTG+1 sets the 'previous bet amount' to 900 for UTG+2
UTG+2 must raise the min raise amount, 400, over the previous bet amount, 900, for a total minimum of 1300.

It would seem that Roberts Rules confirm this unless someone can come up with a different reading:
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3. All raises must be equal to or greater than the size of the previous bet or raise on that betting round, except for an all-in wager. A player who has already acted and is not facing a fullsize wager may not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the minimum bet (which is the amount of the minimum bring-in), or less than the full size of the last bet or raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.)

4. “Completing the bet” is a limit poker wager type only, not allowed at big-bet poker. For example, if a player bets $100 and the next player goes all-in for $140, a player wishing to raise must make the total bet at least $240 (unless going all-in).

5. Multiple all-in wagers, each of an amount too small to qualify as a raise, still act as a raise and reopen the betting if the resulting wager size to a player qualifies as a raise.


Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because he wasn’t fully raised. (Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.)

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[Banks2334]

Holy clueless people. Ignore the idiots Larry. The raise was 400(from 200 to 600). UTG+1 is irrelevant. UTG+2 can minimum raise(another 400) to 1000.

[Banks2334]

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As far as I know, any raise that is not an all-in, has to be double the previous raise. So in this case, I would say the re-raise has to be at least 1800.

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WTF?

[_TKO_]

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Holy clueless people. Ignore the idiots Larry. The raise was 400(from 200 to 600). UTG+1 is not irrelevant. UTG+2 can minimum raise(another 400) to 1300.

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