Stars 50NL : OOP and clueless

Marmor · #1 04-30-2007, 05:20 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP ($29.50)
CO ($67.95)
Button ($49.45)
SB ($29)
BB ($36.40)
Hero ($91.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1.5, 2 folds, Button raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($8.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($8.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $6.5, Button raises to $15.5, Hero calls $9.

River: ($39.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $29.95 (All-In), Hero calls $29.95.

Final Pot: $99.65

Zero reads on opponent.
I am a pretty fresh convert to NL so I guess this is not optimal [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Comments?

Ikaika · #2 04-30-2007, 05:25 PM

You're ahead of AK, AQ, and TT. JJ, KK, and AA are smoking you. I'd probably fold to the turn raise

edit: didn't see villain wasn't deep enough to make calling the turn raise reasonable.

0evg0 · #3 04-30-2007, 05:35 PM

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You're ahead of AK, AQ, and TT. JJ, KK, and AA are smoking you. I'd probably call the turn and c/f a non-q river.

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calling to hit a 2 outer on 1 street might not be profitable over the long run, ducy

Chomp · #4 04-30-2007, 05:58 PM

My standard preflop open is $2 here.

I think an unknown's preflop 3b range here is {TT+, AJs+}.

Villain's flop check I think means AA and KK become hugely less likely.

Turn minraise could mean anything from an unknown, but TT now disappears from his range. So I think we are looking at JJ, AJ and whiffed overs floating/bluffing. But I think we are still ahead of this range given there are more combos of AJ than JJ.

River would be an odd way to play AJ - I think a check behind is far more likely. So we are left with JJ, bluff and nasty BD flush hitting (although, on secind thoughts he'd never mr turn if he's picked up a FD).

Oooof. This looks like a horribly played set of Jacks. I fold.

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lol that analysis could be toxically bad, so beware. Also, I can't think of a different line.

Ramana · #5 04-30-2007, 06:39 PM

This hand is so badly misplayed in the early stages, that it's really hard to make a clear analysis. I might 4-bet this pf. I always cbet the flop.

Now, as played, what do we do. TT+ and AJ are the most likely holdings given this action. AJ+ KK+ doesn't check this flop. TT doesn't raise turn. So it looks like JJ to me. But i may be waay off. This spot is just too awkward.

On the turn I am way too lost to be confidently shoving it. I can only call in the hope of him checking the river behind. So as played, i just weakly fold turn and move on to the next hand.

I'd really like to hear some other opinions.

Marmor · #6 04-30-2007, 06:53 PM

What should my 4betting range UTG be like? AA to JJ? TT and AKs as well?

Oderec · #7 04-30-2007, 07:05 PM

Personally, I dont mind the flat call of his 3 bet preflop, but I like to see more flops so that could just be me.

If you do just call, I think you have to lead out at the pot here. Absent any stats, Id put a normal NL 50 player's 3 bet range as JJ+ and AQ+. A 2/3 PSB should be ok, and then fold to a reraise. I dont think he's going to reraise your hand with something that you beat. If you just check here you really have no clue where you're at.

As played, I think he's probably got a set of jacks. He'd probably bet AJ on the flop, as well as KK and AA.

0evg0 · #8 04-30-2007, 08:26 PM

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What should my 4betting range UTG be like? AA to JJ? TT and AKs as well?

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lol exploitaments

Marmor · #9 05-01-2007, 02:30 AM

So either 4betting or flatcalling is alright? How do I react to flop call and a turn raise? Or a raise of my 2/3 potsize contibet on the flop?

Marmor · #10 05-01-2007, 02:31 AM

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What should my 4betting range UTG be like? AA to JJ? TT and AKs as well?

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lol exploitaments

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Dont make fun of me. I am just a dumb limit player.