3 bet QQ OOP PF. flop action

[the machine]

bet fold??? no read.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">Hero (SB): $52.85</font>
BB: $71.70
UTG: $115.60
BTN: $56

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $5

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($14.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ????

[evazan]

Fold....jk


I am betting here 99% of the time. I don't really understand why your asking about this spot in this hand. Perhaps it could get much more interesting if you posted what you did, villains action, then your next move.

[SkeetyMcdoogle]

I bet 12 here all day every day

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I bet 12 here all day every day

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[the machine]

ok well hes actually 23/14/4.63 only 232 hands though.

i just wanted to see lines that people would take against an unknown here. you both said bet. why????

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to take it further tho

Skeety, what line do you take if villain calls?
Would you call with TT-QQ in this spot if you faced the cbet?

[the machine]

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to take it further tho

Skeety, what line do you take if villain calls?
Would you call with TT-QQ in this spot if you faced the cbet?

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exactly, this is the point of the post. what is he calling with that i beat. normally id say id cbet this flop with AK but with QQ am i losing value from this player

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to take it further tho

Skeety, what line do you take if villain calls?
Would you call with TT-QQ in this spot if you faced the cbet?

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exactly, this is the point of the post. what is he calling with that i beat. normally id say id cbet this flop with AK but with QQ am i losing value from this player

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leading out is the best play here because you fold out those hands, TT-QQ, pretty often with an A/K flop and by taking the aggression yourself you've beaten him to the bluff. These are the times that your hand basically turns into a bluff because only a K or better is going to playback/call in this spot and you're repping that. Thoughts?

[evazan]

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to take it further tho

Skeety, what line do you take if villain calls?
Would you call with TT-QQ in this spot if you faced the cbet?

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exactly, this is the point of the post. what is he calling with that i beat. normally id say id cbet this flop with AK but with QQ am i losing value from this player

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After attempting to write a post to answer your question I am now interested in this spot of this hand too. You asked why would I bet and I began writing:

"If you bet you will fold out lower pockets that didn't hit sets, and AQ. AK, a set or a higher pocket will call."

Given that reasoning a bet doesn't sound like a good play but I still think it is the right play because if you check villain will bet and his range is just as wide as it is pf. I believe that this puts you in a horrible reverse implied odds situation that we would rather avoid. It will end up costing a lot to see the river with a hand that has little chance to improve that you don't know is ahead or not. I am perfectly happy folding out worse hands here and winning what is currently in the pot.

[SkeetyMcdoogle]

I bet here all day because tons of people call preflop reraises with any pocket pair, suited connectors, and other random retarded crap. When you re-raise preflop, people put you on AK instantly.

If he calls flop bet, I'd check to him on turn and re-evaluate without a read.

If a Random NL50 player bet 12 into me on that flop, I'd muck QQ-1010 without a read.

Against regulars or other TAG standard players, I'd call and re-evaluate turn.