Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > General Gambling > Probability
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-28-2007, 03:01 PM
phydaux phydaux is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Pre-Flop Razor
Posts: 2,016
Default I invented a new gambling game

I just "invented" a new gambling game.

I say "invented" because I just thought it up, and I've never heard of it, but I'm sure someone else has run this game long before I was born. It's a variation of the old "Matching Quarters" game. I call it "Throwing Pennies."

It work like this: I have a cup and three pennies (or any other coin). I charge my customer one dollar to "throw the pennies." This is the key point - The customer doesn't wager a dollar, I charge him a dollar.

The customer throws the pennies. If they come up all heads or all tails, then the customer wins three dollars. If one of the pennies is odd, then they don't win anything.

Simple as that.

Since I keep the customer's dollar if he wins or if he looses, then I have a "house edge." My expectation is $0.25 per throw. So after 100 throws, I could expect to "win" 75 throws, "loose" 25 throws and have a net win of $25.00. Or I should say "per 100, over the long run."

My question for you math-types is what would be my standard diviation and risk of ruin? Or more specificly, how much money will I need to have (in one dollar bills) to make it unlikely someone will "break the bank?"
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-29-2007, 11:59 PM
jogsxyz jogsxyz is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,167
Default Re: I invented a new gambling game

Bet you you wont be able to sell it.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-30-2007, 12:29 AM
Siegmund Siegmund is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,850
Default Re: I invented a new gambling game

Too much like the matching pennies game they already have in the Australian casinos -- amazes me people play it, but they do. Though the edge there is only 6% IIRC.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-30-2007, 01:39 PM
T50_Omaha8 T50_Omaha8 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: 12-tabling $3 PLO8 Turbos
Posts: 975
Default Re: I invented a new gambling game

[ QUOTE ]
This is the key point - The customer doesn't wager a dollar, I charge him a dollar.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yes he does wager a dollar--he wagers it getting 2-1 odds. He's getting 2-1 odds on an event that is 3-1 to occur, so of course you tend to make a large profit with such a game. I would worry about finding 'customers' for such a shallow game more than risk of ruin.

Most gamboooling games need to be complex enough so that players cannot quickly or easily compute the chances of winning, but simple enough so they can understand the rules. This game fails the first requirement IMO.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-30-2007, 02:41 PM
Tom1975 Tom1975 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 932
Default Re: I invented a new gambling game

LOSE - opposite of win
LOOSE - opposite of tight

Know it. Live it. Love it.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-08-2007, 05:03 AM
Spleen Spleen is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Left side of the abdominal cavity
Posts: 912
Default Re: I invented a new gambling game

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I would worry about finding 'customers' for such a shallow game more than risk of ruin.



[/ QUOTE ]

This made me lol
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-08-2007, 06:06 PM
Silent A Silent A is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: out of the grid
Posts: 2,838
Default Re: I invented a new gambling game

Your win rate is $0.25/throw

your std dev is sqrt{[(-2-0.25)^2 + 3*(1-0.25)^2]/4} = $1.30/throw

On a per 100 throw basis this works out to:

winrate = $25/100 throws
std dev = $0.13/100 throws

In poker, your std dev per 100 hands is usually 2 to 5 times higher than your win rate. Here your win rate is almost 200 times higher than the std dev.

So this game will have 400 times less variance than even the most reliable poker games. Your risk of ruin is basically zero (I doubt you'd need more than $50).

To make this game comparrable to poker, you'd have to give them $3.98 when they win.

That should put your "risk" in perspective.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-12-2007, 12:29 AM
yoshi_yoshi yoshi_yoshi is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Cambridge, MA
Posts: 138
Default Re: I invented a new gambling game

well, if your stdev per throw is $1.30 your stdev per 100 throws is $1.30 * sqrt(100) = $13 - don't divide by 100.

[ QUOTE ]
Your win rate is $0.25/throw

your std dev is sqrt{[(-2-0.25)^2 + 3*(1-0.25)^2]/4} = $1.30/throw

On a per 100 throw basis this works out to:

winrate = $25/100 throws
std dev = $0.13/100 throws

In poker, your std dev per 100 hands is usually 2 to 5 times higher than your win rate. Here your win rate is almost 200 times higher than the std dev.

So this game will have 400 times less variance than even the most reliable poker games. Your risk of ruin is basically zero (I doubt you'd need more than $50).

To make this game comparrable to poker, you'd have to give them $3.98 when they win.

That should put your "risk" in perspective.

[/ QUOTE ]
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-12-2007, 03:37 AM
T50_Omaha8 T50_Omaha8 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: 12-tabling $3 PLO8 Turbos
Posts: 975
Default Re: I invented a new gambling game

[ QUOTE ]
well, if your stdev per throw is $1.30 your stdev per 100 throws is $1.30 * sqrt(100) = $13 - don't divide by 100.


[/ QUOTE ]Quite true...variance always INCREASES with larger samples, which is a counterintuitive result.

A good way to remember it is to square the SD to get variance per game (or 100 hands, etc). Variance is more convenient than SD since variance can be added to compute variance for the sum of independent events (then taking the square root to get back to SD terms).

This does, of course, have the same effect as multiplying the SD by the square root of the sample size, but it's a little less cryptic.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.