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Old 04-24-2007, 01:37 AM
braminc braminc is offline
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Default $60s - 2 bubble hands

no read, weird half of his stack bet...

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t120/t240
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t3345
Button: t4755
SB: t1080
Hero: t4320

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to t1920</font>, 2 folds, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: t1680 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: t600


looks like i made a bad fold on this second hand. just SNGPTed it and it says he has to be pushing &lt;32% for this to be a fold. and im pretty sure he was pushing more than that...tho its a player i know nothing about.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1850
Button: t1570
SB: t5535
Hero: t4545

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in t5535</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: t5135 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: t800

if you guys say call on 2nd hand, what PP do you start folding at?
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Old 04-24-2007, 01:52 AM
Ditch Digger Ditch Digger is offline
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Default Re: $60s - 2 bubble hands

First one is a fold as you have almost 0 FE and you are behind his range.

Not too sure about the 2nd one. Really depends on how he's been playing. Has he been pushing on your BB? Vs any decent player it's an insta call but if he's unknown I'd really have to be convinced he's pushing a big range to call.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:10 AM
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Default Re: $60s - 2 bubble hands

yeah the first one you don't really need to call, there is not a problem with making a tight fold. The second one I cannot fathom folding here. SB is likely exploiting bubble play and knows that you will only call w/ top 5% of hands if he has any reliable read on you. Even though there are two shorties, this is such a good spot I think and you are unlikely to be in a coinflip situation or dominated. If button is shoving ATC and has a big range, call w/ TT and up I'd say. If you don't have any reads on the SB yet, you should be using poker tracker/poker ace. I like the fold in the first one and a definite call in the 2nd one as any good player knows you are going to muck sooo many hands with 2 shorties in.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:21 AM
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Default Re: $60s - 2 bubble hands

No way could I have folded the second play. All too often players will unnecessarily push all in regardless of their chip stacks for just a blind steal, or atleast semi-steal. I would put villain on a wide range of hands. He's just not expecting a call from a stack your size.
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Old 04-24-2007, 04:28 AM
J-P J-P is offline
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Default Re: $60s - 2 bubble hands

1)Fold

2)If the guy knows what he is doing, I'd instacall prolly JJ+.
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Old 04-24-2007, 04:31 AM
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Default Re: $60s - 2 bubble hands

I'd prob call with the QQ then puke when he catches his ace. Probably fold JJ in that spot I dont know.
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Old 04-24-2007, 09:50 AM
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Default Re: $60s - 2 bubble hands

fold is fine for the first hand

no chance I fold QQ in hand 2
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Old 04-24-2007, 11:23 AM
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Default Re: $60s - 2 bubble hands

intuition tells me its fold, call... but intuition has lied to me before too.
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Old 04-24-2007, 01:19 PM
ianisakson ianisakson is offline
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Default Re: $60s - 2 bubble hands

1st one if the player is an uber donk i sometimes shove, but that is like &lt;10% of the time when i feel like gamboooling.
2nd one callcallcallcallcall and scroll the chatbox with "hooooooold" and qqqqqqqqq after he doors his A
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Old 04-24-2007, 01:24 PM
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Default Re: $60s - 2 bubble hands

ICM undervalues calling (severely) with QQ if the big stack is good but folding has to be terrible against just about everyone.

e: It wouldn't suprise me if it was +EV to call with AK as well
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