50/100 HU hand vs mjorgenson

[whitelime]

We've been playing HU for maybe an hour. No hands in particular that are relevant in this case. This is the first river c/r that either of us has made though I'm pretty sure I showed down something that was a whiffed river c/r. Most importantly, we've played a decent amount against each other, though not much HU, and we both know the other to be a good thinking player. What is the worst hand you call here with?

FullTiltPoker Game #2269711313: Table Andi (heads up) - $50/$100 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:14:12 ET - 2007/04/23
Seat 1: mjorgenson13 ($10,549)
Seat 2: whitelime ($32,437.25)
whitelime posts the small blind of $50
mjorgenson13 posts the big blind of $100
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to whitelime [? ?]
whitelime raises to $300
mjorgenson13 calls $200
*** FLOP *** [K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
mjorgenson13 checks
whitelime checks
*** TURN *** [K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] [A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
mjorgenson13 checks
whitelime bets $400
mjorgenson13 calls $400
*** RIVER *** [K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
mjorgenson13 checks
whitelime bets $1,100
mjorgenson13 has 15 seconds left to act
mjorgenson13 raises to $3,800
whitelime ?

[Stinger88]

I think I fold everything worse than A9, I don't think he c/c's the turn and checks the river with a draw often enough to call with any bluff catchers, which A4- basically are here

[aejones]

I'd call with all aces up.

[KRANTZ]

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I'd call with all aces up.

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[Prevaricator]

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I'd call with all aces up.

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i would call with A9+ like stinger said. what is the difference between AQ and worse aces up, and why would you think that mjorg would play A2 like that vs a strong river bet that could easily be A9 for whitelime?

[stigmata]

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what is the difference between AQ and worse aces up

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aces up beats worse 2 pairs that somehow got there on the river.

[Micturition Man]

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I'd call with all aces up.

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i would call with A9+ like stinger said. what is the difference between AQ and worse aces up, and why would you think that mjorg would play A2 like that vs a strong river bet that could easily be A9 for whitelime?

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Is whitelime's river bet really particularly strong? I would think he can be value-betting almost any ace here, and therefore villain could be c-rzing w/ K9 and maybe AJ or something.

I dunno though I'm not a big NL player.

Another thing is you should realize is that unless whitelime bets the river super tight, his folding anything worse than A9 to a c-rz is highly exploitable. I'm startled that you guys think folding A4 is right.

Which is not to say it's wrong, since I am sure most people don't bluff in this river spot as often as they should.

[Prevaricator]

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what is the difference between AQ and worse aces up

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aces up beats worse 2 pairs that somehow got there on the river.

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you are missing the point, why dont you reread my post about how i dont think he is playing worse 2 pairs like that.

[Prevaricator]

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I'd call with all aces up.

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i would call with A9+ like stinger said. what is the difference between AQ and worse aces up, and why would you think that mjorg would play A2 like that vs a strong river bet that could easily be A9 for whitelime?

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Is whitelime's river bet really particularly strong? I would think he can be value-betting almost any ace here, and therefore villain could be c-rzing w/ K9 and maybe AJ or something.

I dunno though I'm not a big NL player.

Another thing is you should realize is that unless whitelime bets the river super tight, his folding anything worse than A9 to a c-rz is highly exploitable. I'm startled that you guys think folding A4 is right.

Which is not to say it's wrong, since I am sure most people don't bluff in this river spot as often as they should.

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i think the river bet is strong enough that mjorg knows whitelime wont call with worse than aces up. I think that this is basically A9 or a bluff and is not going to be some worse hand than A9 but better than AQ for value. He probably plays aces up on the turn faster at least the majority of the time, and i definitely dont see him playing something like K9 like this, where only better will call.

[spino1i]

I really think this depends on the immediate previous hands. Are you currently viewed as directly betting any str8 draw/flush draw on the flop or have you been mixing it up and checking them behind sometimes?