$16:Playing a drawing hand against shortie

[austrian]

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t3120)
UTG+1 (t1630)
CO (t2300)
Button (t930)
SB (t2770)
Hero (t2750)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, Button calls t100, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, Hero checks

Flop: (t250) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t150</font>, <font color="red">Button raises to t300</font>, Hero calls t150

Turn: (t850) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">Button bets t400</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t2350 (All-in)</font>, Button calls t130 (All-in)


Is a check raise all in on the flop here clearly the better
play?If so up to witch stack size?

[Kevin8423]

I either check/fold this flop or take a stab at it for like 175 and drop it to a raise.

[Pudge714]

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I either check/fold this flop or take a stab at it for like 175 and drop it to a raise.

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My eyes started bleeding when reading this.
Checkshove this flop FTW.

[Kevin8423]

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I either check/fold this flop or take a stab at it for like 175 and drop it to a raise.

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My eyes started bleeding when reading this.
Checkshove this flop FTW.

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Maybe I'm way off, but why are we trying to get all in to hit a flush draw for so few chips instead of trying to hit it for free? I guess we have FE here, but if he calls with just about anything we are behind.

[diditmyway]

CRAI

1 over + flushdraw = nutz

[Pudge714]

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I either check/fold this flop or take a stab at it for like 175 and drop it to a raise.

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My eyes started bleeding when reading this.
Checkshove this flop FTW.

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Maybe I'm way off, but why are we trying to get all in to hit a flush draw for so few chips instead of trying to hit it for free? I guess we have FE here, but if he calls with just about anything we are behind.

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We have a lot of FE. He can fold better hands. We have good equity against most of his range. If we do have the best hand we need to protect it.

[macdaddy991]

I haven't read the replies, but I think that leading this flop isn't the best play. Also, his min flop raise is usually screaming "i have trips". If you still want to get all your money in on the turn anyway, just open push, forget the check raise FPS.

edit: after reading the replies, I like the check raise all in on flop much better