1/2 5players 86s

Jago · #1 04-21-2007, 02:54 AM

Okay, first some background/reads

BB is the BB from hand 1 and UTG from hand 2
UTG is UTG from hand 1

UTG is a huge donkey (open folds lol), big calling station etc etc
BB raised from the BB last orbit with A6s after several limpers and seems to love Ax hands in general

hand 1:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post10052871
hand 2:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post10052937

onto the hand in question

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks.
 Now I usually have a very thin edge in the 6max games but at this moment there were the 2 awful players (described above) and CO is weak generally but willing to go broke with TPNK plus I have a decent hand and the button. Finally I was only playing at this one table so my reads are much sharper, therefore i called.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, CO folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.
 Excellent, BB didn't raise so now Ax would be a small range of the hands he could have. UTG calls which could mean virtually any 2 cards, i raise for value(?) and to take control of the hand(?) 

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.
 Decent card. I pick up flush outs (if i am behind) but i would hate to be c/r by maniacs so i check behind(?). If i didn't pick up the flush outs I would have an easy b/f(?) 

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG, folds, Hero checks.
 Do i have an ultra thin vbet here? 

Results:
Final pot: 5.5BB

I'd like some feedback on how you guys think I played this, and I'd like a few answers to my ?

Thanks

BigBadBabar · #2 04-21-2007, 03:54 AM

what happens on the river there? utg open folds?

aK13 · #3 04-21-2007, 05:02 AM

Value bet the turn.

Probably value bet the river.

Jago · #4 04-21-2007, 05:10 AM

yes, utg open folded

Do we really want to possibly pay 2BB to see the river?

Zeldark · #5 04-21-2007, 06:13 AM

Yes I like the turn bet. It's a thin value bet, decent bluff, decent draw, for an all around good semi-bluff. Also not too bad for the image and our flop raise gives it some credibility.

Jago · #6 04-21-2007, 11:51 AM

Does everyone agree with/have an opinion on the statements i made in green?

BigBadBabar · #7 04-21-2007, 11:53 AM

give it some more time sir [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] be patient

Jago · #8 04-21-2007, 12:49 PM

haha ok ok, i'll bump this in 10-12ish hours when i wake up

Aaron W. · #9 04-21-2007, 02:45 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks.
 Now I usually have a very thin edge in the 6max games but at this moment there were the 2 awful players (described above) and CO is weak generally but willing to go broke with TPNK plus I have a decent hand and the button. Finally I was only playing at this one table so my reads are much sharper, therefore i called.

[/ QUOTE ]

Standard limp behind two limpers. If they're bad, then it's even better.

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Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, CO folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.
 Excellent, BB didn't raise so now Ax would be a small range of the hands he could have. UTG calls which could mean virtually any 2 cards, i raise for value(?) and to take control of the hand(?) 

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I wouldn't.

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Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.
 Decent card. I pick up flush outs (if i am behind) but i would hate to be c/r by maniacs so i check behind(?). If i didn't pick up the flush outs I would have an easy b/f(?) 

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Given that you raised the flop, not improving to a flush draw would definitely make this a bet-fold. But since you raised the flop for value, you should be betting the turn for value. Or if you don't want to be betting the turn for value (knowing that you will often turn an overcard to your pair), you should rethink the flop raise for value.

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River: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG, folds, Hero checks.
 Do i have an ultra thin vbet here? 

[/ QUOTE ]

No. And it's not even close.

Riku · #10 04-21-2007, 02:58 PM

If you´re going to raise, wouldn´t you rather wait for the turn to do that ? A lot of bad cards can fall and nobody´s going anywhere on the flop.