Raptor's min bet day 2, lots of hand q's, and another graph.. (10-20)

[raptor517]

ok so today, i slept a lil late and only had about an hour to play, so i decided to 5 table and really think about what i was doing and why. i feel like that might have helped tremendously, though i ran really well today. I still think i didnt play THAT terrible yesterday. anyways.. heres a graph, as well as a bunch of hand questions.



ok, now on to the hands..

HAND 1
PokerStars Game #9522255730: Hold'em Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/04/20 - 17:52:34 (ET)
Table 'Eros' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Bebop86 ($854 in chips)
Seat 2: nordstrand ($418 in chips)
Seat 3: WhoKnewIKnew ($663 in chips)
Seat 4: xMyTmIkEx ($119 in chips)
Seat 6: Cash4Me100 ($476.50 in chips)
xMyTmIkEx: posts small blind $5
Cash4Me100: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bebop86 [9h Ah]
Bebop86: raises $10 to $20
nordstrand: folds
WhoKnewIKnew: folds
xMyTmIkEx: calls $15
Cash4Me100: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [6c Qc 2c]
xMyTmIkEx: checks
Cash4Me100: checks
Bebop86: checks
*** TURN *** [6c Qc 2c] [7s]
xMyTmIkEx: checks
Cash4Me100: checks
Bebop86: checks
*** RIVER *** [6c Qc 2c 7s] [Qs]
xMyTmIkEx: checks
Cash4Me100: checks
Bebop86:

Is a value bet too thin here? I felt like I had best hand a lot.. also, should I be betting the turn or anything?

HAND 2
PokerStars Game #9522216113: Hold'em Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/04/20 - 17:49:54 (ET)
Table 'Zerbinetta' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: mderuiter ($422 in chips)
Seat 2: *xen ($935 in chips)
Seat 4: Bebop86 ($1274 in chips)
Seat 5: DIAMOND789 ($467 in chips)
Seat 6: jkopp984 ($333 in chips)
*xen: posts small blind $5
Bebop86: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bebop86 [3d Ah]
DIAMOND789: raises $10 to $20
jkopp984: folds
mderuiter: folds
*xen: folds
Bebop86: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [Kh Js 8h]
Bebop86: checks
DIAMOND789: bets $10
Bebop86: calls $10
*** TURN *** [Kh Js 8h] [Qh]
Bebop86: checks
DIAMOND789: bets $20
Bebop86: raises $20 to $40
DIAMOND789: calls $20
*** RIVER *** [Kh Js 8h Qh] [8c]
Bebop86: checks
DIAMOND789: bets $20
Bebop86: folds

I think I messed this one up pretty bad. Im thinking maybe lead turn, or check call, or just fold pf even, though I was trying to not fold as much in the blinds this time around, but it was an UTG raise so I think a fold is best.

HAND 3
PokerStars Game #9522364013: Hold'em Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/04/20 - 17:59:56 (ET)
Table 'Zerbinetta' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: mderuiter ($834 in chips)
Seat 2: *xen ($783 in chips)
Seat 3: thisishui ($452 in chips)
Seat 4: Bebop86 ($1214 in chips)
Seat 5: DIAMOND789 ($245 in chips)
Seat 6: jkopp984 ($276 in chips)
DIAMOND789: posts small blind $5
jkopp984: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bebop86 [8c 8s]
mderuiter: calls $10
*xen: raises $10 to $20
thisishui: folds
Bebop86: raises $10 to $30
DIAMOND789: folds
jkopp984: folds
mderuiter: calls $20
*xen: raises $10 to $40
Betting is capped
Bebop86: calls $10
mderuiter: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [2d Td 9s]
mderuiter: checks
*xen: bets $10
Bebop86: raises $10 to $20
mderuiter: calls $20
*xen: raises $10 to $30
Bebop86: calls $10
mderuiter: calls $10
*** TURN *** [2d Td 9s] [7s]
mderuiter: checks
*xen: bets $20
Bebop86: calls $20
mderuiter: calls $20
*** RIVER *** [2d Td 9s 7s] [9d]
mderuiter: checks
*xen: bets $20
Bebop86: calls $20
mderuiter: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
*xen: shows [Jh Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
Bebop86: mucks hand
*xen collected $322 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $325 | Rake $3
Board [2d Td 9s 7s 9d]
Seat 1: mderuiter folded on the River
Seat 2: *xen showed [Jh Jc] and won ($322) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 3: thisishui folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Bebop86 (button) mucked [8c 8s]
Seat 5: DIAMOND789 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: jkopp984 (big blind) folded before Flop

I think this is just pure spew. Should I just call flop? Fold flop? Im not really sure.

HAND 4
PokerStars Game #9522395231: Hold'em Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/04/20 - 18:02:01 (ET)
Table 'Zeuxo II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: fuflo2 ($291 in chips)
Seat 3: Bebop86 ($1468 in chips)
Seat 4: dstich ($149 in chips)
fuflo2: posts small blind $5
Bebop86: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bebop86 [Ac 2d]
dstich: raises $10 to $20
fuflo2: calls $15
Bebop86: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [2h Qc Jc]
fuflo2: checks
Bebop86: checks
dstich: bets $10
fuflo2: raises $10 to $20
Bebop86: folds

I thought this spot was actually kinda interesting, as I have the runner clubs, I decided to just fold though, again, not sure if that is correct.

HAND 5
PokerStars Game #9522416914: Hold'em Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/04/20 - 18:03:28 (ET)
Table 'Unukalhai II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: WhoKnewIKnew ($837.50 in chips)
Seat 2: ole2000 ($237.50 in chips)
Seat 3: beat it ($155 in chips)
Seat 4: Bebop86 ($905 in chips)
Seat 5: micaldinho ($300 in chips)
Seat 6: josafir ($1220 in chips)
Bebop86: posts small blind $5
micaldinho: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bebop86 [Jd Js]
josafir: calls $10
WhoKnewIKnew: raises $10 to $20
ole2000: folds
beat it: calls $20
Bebop86: raises $10 to $30
micaldinho: folds
josafir: calls $20
WhoKnewIKnew: calls $10
beat it: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [Ts 4h 3s]
Bebop86: bets $10
josafir: folds
WhoKnewIKnew: calls $10
beat it: calls $10
*** TURN *** [Ts 4h 3s] [Ah]
josafir leaves the table
Bebop86: checks
WhoKnewIKnew: checks
beat it: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ts 4h 3s Ah] [Th]
Bebop86: bets $20
WhoKnewIKnew: folds
beat it: raises $20 to $40
Bebop86: folds

Ok so.. Im not really sure what I was thinking on the river, apparently I wasn’t. should I be check calling this river? Betting this turn? Check folding river? I feel lost a lot in these kinda spots.

HAND 6
PokerStars Game #9522465785: Hold'em Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/04/20 - 18:06:45 (ET)
Table 'Unukalhai II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: WhoKnewIKnew ($747.50 in chips)
Seat 3: beat it ($181 in chips)
Seat 4: Bebop86 ($835 in chips)
Seat 5: micaldinho ($693.50 in chips)
Bebop86: posts small blind $5
micaldinho: posts big blind $10
tonytwotoes: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bebop86 [9s Jh]
WhoKnewIKnew: folds
beat it: folds
Bebop86: raises $10 to $20
micaldinho: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [Kd 7c 7d]
Bebop86: bets $10
micaldinho: calls $10
*** TURN *** [Kd 7c 7d] [8c]
Bebop86: bets $20

This is a fairly standard spot imo, and I think im betting turn every time here. Not sure if that is standard or not.

HAND 7
PokerStars Game #9522496851: Hold'em Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/04/20 - 18:08:50 (ET)
Table 'Centenaria II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Luckylady927 ($295 in chips)
Seat 2: Bebop86 ($1390 in chips)
Seat 3: simon2369 ($532 in chips)
Seat 4: oldballer88 ($331 in chips)
Seat 5: T-Time ($1095 in chips)
Seat 6: rulti ($195 in chips)
Bebop86: posts small blind $5
simon2369: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bebop86 [Qc Kd]
oldballer88: folds
T-Time: raises $10 to $20
rulti: folds
Luckylady927: folds
Bebop86: raises $10 to $30
simon2369: calls $20
T-Time: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [7c 3h 8s]
Bebop86: bets $10

This spot comes up ALL the time, and its another one I feel lost in. am I supposed to bet this flop? What if get raised? Am I calling? Should I check fold? Yea, lost.

HAND 8
PokerStars Game #9522525883: Hold'em Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/04/20 - 18:10:48 (ET)
Table 'Unukalhai II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: WhoKnewIKnew ($845.50 in chips)
Seat 2: FUTTERBUG ($60 in chips)
Seat 3: beat it ($159 in chips)
Seat 4: Bebop86 ($832 in chips)
Seat 5: micaldinho ($842.50 in chips)
Seat 6: tonytwotoes ($620 in chips)
tonytwotoes: posts small blind $5
WhoKnewIKnew: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bebop86 [Tc 9c]
FUTTERBUG: folds
beat it: calls $10
Bebop86: raises $10 to $20
micaldinho: calls $20
tonytwotoes: folds
WhoKnewIKnew: folds
beat it: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [7c Ks 5c]
beat it: bets $10
Bebop86: raises $10 to $20
micaldinho: calls $20
beat it: raises $10 to $30
Bebop86: raises $10 to $40
Betting is capped
micaldinho: folds
beat it: calls $10
*** TURN *** [7c Ks 5c] [9d]
beat it: bets $20
Bebop86: calls $20
*** RIVER *** [7c Ks 5c 9d] [Qh]
beat it: bets $20
Bebop86: calls $20

Ok so, here I 4 bet the flop in hopes of chasing out micaldinho. It worked, but I feel like I shoulda just given up river or something, didn’t see a lot I could beat but huge pot.

HAND 9
PokerStars Game #9522555873: Hold'em Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/04/20 - 18:12:49 (ET)
Table 'Centenaria II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Bebop86 ($1455.50 in chips)
Seat 3: simon2369 ($522.50 in chips)
Seat 4: oldballer88 ($458 in chips)
Seat 5: T-Time ($1067 in chips)
Seat 6: rulti ($310 in chips)
simon2369: posts small blind $5
oldballer88: posts big blind $10
enix57: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bebop86 [Th 9c]
T-Time: folds
rulti: folds
Bebop86: raises $10 to $20
simon2369: calls $15
oldballer88: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc Ts Jd]
simon2369: bets $10
Bebop86: calls $10
*** TURN *** [Qc Ts Jd] [4h]
simon2369: bets $20
Bebop86: calls $20
*** RIVER *** [Qc Ts Jd 4h] [Qd]
simon2369: bets $20
Bebop86: calls $20

Ok on this one, I didn’t see much point in a flop raise, as he wasn’t going anywhere, and I also couldn’t see folding. The river I thought was close, but I also thought it was possible he had something like 79 or K8 or whatever, not sure if this is standard.

Ok, that’s all I got for now, didn’t get to play very long as its Friday and I slept all day and have to go out now, but today went a lot better, so maybe yesterday was just a cursed day or something. Thanks again for all the help.

[Victor]

1. bet flop.

2. fold pf. fold flop. bet river mebbe he folds 55h

3. tough hand, depends on all players at table. can def fold the river against most players.

4. flop fold is good. almost always fold pf unless players are terrible.

5. tough spot. very player dependant. can often bet/fold the turn. otherwise bet and call down is fine if villain is spewy. river fold is good.

6. too player dependant to comment on. usually c/f turn.

7. bet flop and call a raise. reevaluate on turn.

8. dont raise. dont try to drive ppl out with draws lol. calling preserves implied odds. now u can make a double bb when u hit.

9. river is only real decision and it depends on the player. calling is not bad if you have no read.

ok, now teach me nl [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Victor]

also, these hands are sh. post in mhush. we're smarter.

[raptor517]

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also, these hands are sh. post in mhush. we're smarter.

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oh. im not familiar with the different limit forums. my mistake.

[DeathDonkey]

I agree with Victor on everything except I defend any ace when button opens so I don't fold that hand. You played a few of these hands in what I would call a glaring "no limit player" fashion. Expecting to have any fold equity with your flush draws, checking behind a scary board after being the preflop raiser, stuff like that. Keep at it this is fun to see you hopefully transform mentality. I know I finally can play NL without thinking "ok check behind turn, call a river bet" that type of stuff which is standard limit get to showdown mentality and just gets you killed in NL.

-DeathDonkey

[TownIt]

hand 1: as played betting river would be criminal

hand 2: Call is fine, easy c/f tho

hand 3: Flop raise is marginal, but im shutting down after someone calls 2 cold on that board

hand 4: fold pf, little value in a 3 way pot. fold flop as played.

hand 5: turn check is good in this spot, check fold river in a multiway pot.

hand 6: std.

hand 7: 3 bet pf is marginal as played bet flop, call raise spike turn...

hand 8: call donkout, raise turn, better line imo

hand 9: pretty std

gl with your minbet!

[DrewOnTilt]

Bro, you gotta start posting one hand at a time and using a hand history converter. Nobody likes reading raw hand histories.