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Old 04-18-2007, 03:16 AM
Sun Wukong Sun Wukong is offline
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Default NL25 losing with two pair

OK so i thought i should take some time and review some hands today. I'm winning over a small sample (~7K) at 6.6 PTBB/100 but I could be winning quite a bit more.

My 2 pair hands are showing a loss and they are something I need to work on before i move up, NL50 shouldnt be a problem but at NL100 i'd expect these leaks to get me into serious trouble.

Many of the two pair hands are overpairs on paired boards v sets but if i could get some feedback on these non-overpair two pair hands it would be appriciated.

I run at around 25/10/2 so if any villains are paying attention they'd see me as fairly loose.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $10.75
Hero: $28.35
MP1: $25.35
MP2: $18.45
CO: $15.90
Button: $9.50
SB: $31.35
BB: $40.85

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2.35, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2</font>, CO calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6.35, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($6.35, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in $12.9</font>, Hero calls. (and here it all goes wrong!)


Should i c/c this river as long as it not a push or is a blocking bet fine as long as i actually b/f?!


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $17.55
UTG+1: $24.60
MP1: $15.25
MP2: $5.80
MP3: $26.35
CO: $28.10
Button: $79.30
SB: $18.80
Hero: $31.70

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($0.75, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1</font>, MP1 calls, SB folds.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($2.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2</font>, MP1 calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $8</font>, MP1 calls.


Standard right?


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $26.80
Hero: $47.30
MP1: $39.25
MP2: $26.80
CO: $24.75
Button: $23.45
SB: $1.90
UTG: $17.55
BB: $24.20

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($1.1, 4 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $2</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($5.1, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $3.25</font>, Hero calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($11.6, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $5.25</font>, Hero calls.

I'm thinking this is kinda how i should be playing two pairs, have i got the right idea?


Thanks for the input.
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Old 04-18-2007, 03:34 AM
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Default Re: NL25 losing with two pair

Before stepping up, I would recommend clamping your preflop game just a little before stepping up to nl50 or nl100, as it's likely that a 25/10 style may present a lot of awkward post-flop situations. That said...

Hand 1 - Bet turn, that's the best chance you can stack-off against your opponent and to get all your money in by the river, no reason to be deceptive or slow down here. River play is a non-question if you lead turn &amp; river.

Hand 2 - Looks good.

Hand 3 - Bet/3-bet turn. Lead river. This represents you best chance to get buttons stack entirely into play.
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Old 04-18-2007, 03:55 AM
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Default Re: NL25 losing with two pair

Hand 1 - As BlueBear said

Hand 2 - OK but I would bet more like $6 on river

Hand 3 - Fold p/f &gt; raise &gt; limp, as played c/r turn
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Old 04-18-2007, 03:55 AM
Sun Wukong Sun Wukong is offline
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Default Re: NL25 losing with two pair

I thought on hand 3 c/c turn hopefully catch a bluff or let TPTK carry on betting. On the river i thought more hands would bet rather than call and as I'm OOP it kept the pot small. Do you think thats too nitty?
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Old 04-18-2007, 04:01 AM
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Default Re: NL25 losing with two pair

On hand 1 if we lead the turn are we folding to a raise?
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Old 04-18-2007, 04:32 AM
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Default Re: NL25 losing with two pair

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I thought on hand 3 c/c turn hopefully catch a bluff or let TPTK carry on betting. On the river i thought more hands would bet rather than call and as I'm OOP it kept the pot small. Do you think thats too nitty?

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Against typical opponents at these stakes, you'll usually make more money making appropriate value bets rather than letting the bluff - which they may or may not do. Yes, I like value-betting the river too.
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Old 04-18-2007, 04:35 AM
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Default Re: NL25 losing with two pair

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On hand 1 if we lead the turn are we folding to a raise?

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Call/reraise all-in. In hand 1, I'm never folding top two pair in this kind of situation against a 60BB stack.
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