NL400 River c/r 200bb deep

[JReezy]

Villain is loose passive fish running at 57/10/2.5. hand took place at a 6max table and had gotten down to heads up between us and now it was 3way. he's been calling every c-bet and haven't really seen him raise much, although the turn check minraise he has done three times so far, once with a draw, once with air, and once i don't know. but i was assuming he had mostly air and maybe a draw when he did it on turn.

when i bet river is it with the intention of calling a shove? should i bet more on river?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$2/$4 Blinds
3 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

<u>SB: $845.20</u>
<font color="black">UMD Tennis (BB): $794.75</font>
<u>SB (big blind) collected: $559.50</u>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> UMD Tennis is dealt 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UMD Tennis raises to $12</font>, SB calls $8

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($24) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, UMD Tennis checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($24) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">UMD Tennis bets $20</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $40</font>, <font color="red">UMD Tennis raises to $115</font>, SB calls $75

<font color="black">River:</font> ($254) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">UMD Tennis bets $153</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $718.20</font>, [i]UMD Tennis...

Edit: Also want to add this is the first river check raise I've seen in 20,000 hands so far at NL400 or in my 100k hands at NL200, either as a bluff or for value and it definately threw me off, especially from from a 55/10.

[TheMetetron]

First of all, he's not passive.

Second of all, bet flop most of the time.

Third of all, instafuckingcall that [censored].

Also, bet some more when you do bet.


Edit: PS, you are a tard for folding.

[23act]

you are probably giving this guy too much credit by saying its either a c/r bluff or value...he doesn't think like that

given his stats his range consists of overpairs, 2 pairs, sets and straights - call

[JReezy]

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First of all, he's not passive.

Second of all, bet flop most of the time.

Third of all, instafuckingcall that [censored].

Also, bet some more when you do bet.



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i thought he was very passive. other than his 3 mincheckraises, i never saw him raise once. it was just limp-call-call.
i had bet the past 4 flops so i decided to check behind this one, maybe i still should have bet.
i agree i shouldve bet more. i was trying to keep him around on the turn but i definately should've bet more on river too.

[JReezy]

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you are probably giving this guy too much credit by saying its either a c/r bluff or value...he doesn't think like that


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sorry i didnt mean that he was thinking like that, i just meant i had never seen it from any of the good players either, either as bluff or value from them. i know he's not thinking like that.

[TheMetetron]

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i thought he was very passive.

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running at 57/10/2.5.

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?????

[JReezy]

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i thought he was very passive.

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running at 57/10/2.5.

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?????

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those are including 6max too. when it got down to heads up and three way, he was just limp calling (from the button too) any raise preflop and calling every c-bet, never raising.

[TheMetetron]

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i thought he was very passive.

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running at 57/10/2.5.

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?????

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those are including 6max too. when it got down to heads up and three way, he was just limp calling (from the button too) any raise preflop and calling every c-bet, never raising.

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[ddubois]

Once he CRs turn my 3bet is going to be huge. I'll probably click pot, and then round up. There's too much behind to dilly-dally, and too many rivers make hands better than a set. 75 more priced him in to chase a lot of draws, and I think once he CR shoves river, he probably had 56 or Ac5c.

[pp262]

Is the AF 2.5 total or just postflop?
I agree with making the turn 3-bet larger and this being 56 or A5cc a lot. You need to be good here &gt;36% of the time.
Add in a few donk hands and you have a call:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

9 games 0.078 secs 115 games/sec

Board: 8c 9s 4h 3c 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.444% 44.44% 00.00% 4 0.00 { 3d3s }
Hand 1: 55.556% 55.56% 00.00% 5 0.00 { AcAd, AhAs, Ac5c, 98s, 65s }