10-20 Stars hand ...

[Nomar]

newbie to this forum, newbie to plo ...let me know what you think, on any/all streets...

Seat 1: OnceAnite ($3136 in chips)
Seat 2: humphreyIN ($4003 in chips)
Seat 3: little dino ($1409.50 in chips)
Seat 5: SuitedAces ($7803 in chips)
Seat 6: thaaj2004 ($1100 in chips)
thaaj2004: posts small blind $10
OnceAnite: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitedAces [6s 5d 3c 5s]
humphreyIN: folds
little dino: folds
SuitedAces: raises $50 to $70
thaaj2004: folds
OnceAnite: raises $150 to $220
SuitedAces: calls $150
*** FLOP *** [Ah 5h Jc]
berdyfish joins the table at seat #4
OnceAnite: bets $360
SuitedAces: calls $360
*** TURN *** [Ah 5h Jc] [Ac]
OnceAnite: checks
SuitedAces: bets $1168
OnceAnite: calls $1168
*** RIVER *** [Ah 5h Jc Ac] [8c]
OnceAnite: checks
SuitedAces: checks

I had some thoughts while playing, and since have had more/ different thoughts, I will wait before posting my newest gut feeling...

[gobboboy]

Looks good to me. I love the river check. If he turns over quads I wouldn't be surprised, but there's absolutely no value in a bet here.

[Nomar]

thanks gobboboy,

Thats kind of what I was thinking, how much value is there in the turn bet ?

I think it would be expert would be to check behind turn, and call/bet river.

yes ?

[spino1i]

Well 6553 two-cards suited isnt really a raising hand from that position. I'd just fold pre-flop. As played call the reraise pre-flop because its almost always aces and you have good implieds to crack 'em.

Turn I check behind to see if he bets on the river, and to induce a bluff on the river. I check/call river, or if he checks I bet 1/2 pot. Remember theres still a small but decent chance he has quad aces (just cuz people's 3-betting range oop is usually confined to aces and not much else).

The way you played it works as well, but puts you in a nasty spot if he bets into you on the river.

[Nomar]

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Well 6553 two-cards suited isnt really a raising hand from that position. I'd just fold pre-flop.

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Really ? I feel like this is a great hand to win a big pot with, maybe I have been playing too many hands. Whats the agreed upon "seeing flop %" for 6max ? for 9/10 handed ?


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Turn I check behind to see if he bets on the river, and to induce a bluff on the river. I check/call river, or if he checks I bet 1/2 pot. Remember theres still a small but decent chance he has quad aces (just cuz people's 3-betting range oop is usually confined to aces and not much else).

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I agree that I should have checked behind turn and called any river bet. But if he checks the turn and river, I have to bet pot, like all of the pot, cant see a reason to bet anyless.
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The way you played it works as well, but puts you in a nasty spot if he bets into you on the river.

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Agreed, that it is not a good spot, but I think if he shoves the rest of his stack in, its a pretty easy river fold.

[cts]

spino have you played a hand of omaha in yer life? or any poker for that matter?

[piiop]

I'dve bet 3/4 pot on the turn because thats just what I do. River check is fine, some reads might help but whatev.

Checking behind on the turn is bad. It gives him a free shot at filling up with a hand like AKQ9, AT98, or KKQQ.

cts: burn!

[Bavid Denyamine]

I really like checking this river, if for no other reason than because you can't call a c/r. I think your hand is good here a lot, because I think most good players would put in a value bet on that river with aces full, but betting just puts you into a potential world of hurt. I don't see why villain can't have KKxx with heart nut flush draw. I might've bet smaller on the turn, but I don't think there's anything wrong with any of your play. Also, there's nothing wrong with this pf.

[LA_Price]

the flop could be a fold if he basically reraises only with aces. The turn is probably a check. The river is a check. I don't really see many worse hands that call given the betting action.

Pre-flop is ok but the problem with the hand is that even when you hit great you can often have no clue where you are at. I actually like the flop call if you were calling intending to see what he does on the turn and take the pot away if he gives up too often, but then you need to check that turn. I guess it sort of makes sense if you know he wouldn't check if he had quad aces but I could see him having AJ,Ax, JJ,TJQK, or KK with a flush draw here too.

edit: misread the turn action. I thought he bet and you called.

[davalii]

With some history a riverbet might not be bad, a lot of A-rag pay off here.