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Old 04-16-2007, 06:01 PM
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Default How to extract the most from nuts?

This is one of my many weaknesses - when have the nuts how to play for max profit (the board is scaring too)?

Bellagio $2000NL tournament. First level. Everyone plays tight.
25/50. (4000 starting chips) UTG raises to 250. I am at MP look down A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ?

I call. 2 players pot 575.
Flop T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG bets 575
Hero? (amount, if raise)

Turn 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG checks
Hero? (amount, if bet)

River 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG checks
Hero? (amount, if bet)
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Old 04-16-2007, 06:06 PM
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Default Re: How to extract the most from nuts?

pot size would help with the last two but ok, assume call/check.

on that particular board, call/check/bet 800's about all you can do given that it's so terrible. if you put him on a set, you can bet 800 on the turn instead because he's not folding, but it won't change the outcome very much.

on any other non-9 club, you would bet hard.
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Old 04-16-2007, 06:15 PM
IvanXDurham IvanXDurham is offline
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Default Re: How to extract the most from nuts?

For some reason I make it 1500 on the flop and overbet the turn leaving an even amount of chips behind so it looks like botched steal. Probably the worst reply you will get on this board, but it does get me paid off. Especially if my table image isn't prestine.
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Old 04-16-2007, 06:16 PM
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Default Re: How to extract the most from nuts?

its a 2k buyin, and everyone is really tight, i cant see the overbet working very well

FWIW, 3rd nuts. Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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Old 04-16-2007, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: How to extract the most from nuts?

i also make it 1500 on the flop. remember not to look at the results here. we dont know we will hit our club on the turn so by raising on the flop there are three chances to win the pot. He folds- not a bad result at all
He calls but we make our draw-lots of outs
He calls but we take it away on the turn.

As the third club hits the turn, after raising on the flop as i would have, i would then check. This looks like i raised on the flop to discourage draws and am now scared of the flush and straight possibilities. Thus disguising my hand. If he bets river, im all in. if he checks, i may bet around 1500 again and although it might seem fishy, the pot odds may compel a call. (1500 into 4100, nearly 3 to 1)
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Old 04-16-2007, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: How to extract the most from nuts?

he has 87cc here a lot, i check behind, 99% of time.
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Old 04-16-2007, 07:02 PM
GOONERCAM GOONERCAM is offline
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Default Re: How to extract the most from nuts?

"everyone plays tight". UTG raises with 7 8 clubs. highly unlikely.
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Old 04-16-2007, 07:03 PM
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lol it was a joke.
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Old 04-16-2007, 07:05 PM
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Default Re: How to extract the most from nuts?

lol
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Old 04-16-2007, 07:23 PM
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Default Re: How to extract the most from nuts?

raising this flop after a tight UTG raises/pots it is anywhere from 'meh' to pretty ugly, BTW, because you will either win 500 chips or be all in as a dog the vast majority of the time.
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