finally, i post a hand where my play is *not* weak-tight

[Proofrock]

MP1 had been playing very aggressively, UTG was playing very ... weird, by which I mean sometimes very aggressive with weak hands in strange spots, other times very passive with strong hands.

What do you think?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO (t18370)
Button (t3425)
SB (t10920)
Hero (t20095)
UTG (t6400)
UTG+1 (t2445)
MP1 (t38255)
MP2 (t16525)
MP3 (t26245)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t400, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t1200</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB calls t1000, Hero calls t800, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t6400</font>, MP1 folds, SB folds, Hero calls t5175.

Final Pot: t14750

[A_C_Slater]

You're right, it certainly isn't weak tight.

You are now a calling station.

(Actually getting 2 to 1 though, so I guess it's not so bad.)

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You're right, it certainly isn't weak tight.

You are now a calling station.

(Actually getting 2 to 1 though, so I guess it's not so bad.)

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Horrible calling station play. Fold to the first raise.

[Proofrock]

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Horrible calling station play. Fold to the first raise.

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So there's 1 person left to act after me, and I'm currently getting 1200+1200+800 + antes : 800, or 4:1 on a call. If UTG calls (as expected), then I'm getting 5:1 pot odds. Do I really want to fold here?

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Horrible calling station play. Fold to the first raise.

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So there's 1 person left to act after me, and I'm currently getting 1200+1200+800 + antes : 800, or 4:1 on a call. If UTG calls (as expected), then I'm getting 5:1 pot odds. Do I really want to fold here?

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Yes, fold! You are getting great pot odds, but it is a multiway pot. Getting 4-1 in a 4-way pot is not great. Plus you don't know if the pot is going to be reraised. Gigabet might call here, but I sure wouldn't.

[A_C_Slater]

Regarding the first call. It's less than 5% of his stack. If MP1 or you had &gt;16,000 then it's an easy fold. But the stacks are deep enough and the implied odds are high enough with this connector to make this call. Though is would be nicer if it was sooted.

[betgo]

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Regarding the first call. It's less than 5% of his stack. If MP1 or you had &gt;16,000 then it's an easy fold. But the stacks are deep enough and the implied odds are high enough with this connector to make this call. Though is would be nicer if it was sooted.

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I don't think folding an unsuited connector to a raise would be terrible here.

[Scary_Tiger]

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Regarding the first call. It's less than 5% of his stack. If MP1 or you had &gt;16,000 then it's an easy fold. But the stacks are deep enough and the implied odds are high enough with this connector to make this call. Though is would be nicer if it was sooted.

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I don't think folding an unsuited connector to a raise would be terrible here.

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It's not bad to call though.

I'd fold the second time around though.

[Proofrock]

So apparently this isn't too interesting -- i assume it's either obviously bad or pretty standard.

I need to be about 34% to win this hand and have it be +cEV. If UTG's range is 88+,AK,KQs,AQ, i'm about 27% to win. If his range is any pair, AJ+,KQ, then I'm getting about the right pot odds for it to be cEV neutral.

If I fold, I have a larger than average stack. If I call and lose, I've lost 25% of my stack and have a roughly average stack. If I call and win, I add 50% to my stack and have a 2x average stack.

I called figuring that his range was wide-ish (including lower pairs and lots of unpaired high cards), and that dropping from t20k to t15k, though definitely not good, doesn't fundamentally change my chip situation too much, but going from t20k to t30k does.

Thoughts?

[NHFunkii]

if that's the range you put him on fine, but I would be pretty surprised if it was that wide. Also I don't really buy this chip position stuff. Pretty sure your EV with a 15k stack is really really close to half your EV with a 30k stack.