$27 TPGK in SB multiway against limping button

[TreyWilly]

No reads on villain, but it is early Sunday evening with ~95k on site. After his action on the flop, I couldn't really put him on anything that beats me.

Would you have folded, shown more aggression on flop and turn, or played similarly hoping villain spews with a lesser hand?

As is, I think I have to call the river, no?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1260)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1770)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)
Button (t1490)
Hero (t1480)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t20, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t20, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, CO calls t20, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, Hero calls t10, BB checks

Flop: (t100) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t60</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to t160</font>, Hero calls t100

Turn: (t420) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets t360</font>, Hero calls t360

River: (t1140) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets t960 (All-in)</font> ...

[TreyWilly]

So am I to assume this passive line is standard?

[Jago]

Fold pf
probably bet 60-80 on the flop, or check and see (im not too sure)
definitely fold the turn though.

[TreyWilly]

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Fold pf

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I hope you're joking.


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probably bet 60-80 on the flop, or check and see (im not too sure)

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Great advice, when you forget the first suggestion is what I did, and the second CYA option is suggested without offering any reasons why.


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definitely fold the turn though.

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Care to give any sort of explanation why? Tell me what he has that beats me here.

What I'm mostly wondering about is the passive line. Is this bad news? Should I have been more aggro if I planned to stay in the pot?

[Pudge714]

Folding preflop is awful.
Either c/c or lead flop either is fine.
I don't get why you think he can't have a better hand. He could easily have a set weird two pair or AJ.
That being said I probably jam the turn the pot is so big and lots of rivers kill your action even if they don't improve villian.

[TreyWilly]

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I don't get why you think he can't have a better hand. He could easily have a set weird two pair or AJ.

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I don't think it's likely. He limped along on the button, which ruled out AJ for me (most players just won't play AJ that way). He put in a pretty good raise on the flop, which pretty much ruled out a set or two pair. I put him on QT, and underpair or a worse jack.

But, you know, I can't be sure. So I'm WA/WB with WA being the most likely case. So, I decide the best way to get his chips if I'm best is to take the passive line. It's also the safest line (I would have been OK with him checking behind on the river). I saw the turn and river as blanks.

This line of thinking is relatively new for me. I want to see if others hate it.

[Sharkzilla1]

Yeah folding preflop is obv a bad move

If you think you have the best hand on the turn then you really need to jam it there. C/R seems acceptable on the turn. If you called the turn and the river was a complete blank I dont see how you fold the river.

Personally I just fold to the flop raise or turn bet this early in an sng but im a huge nit early on.

[Pudge714]

You are arguing to support your line after the fact.
What do you think is more likely?
Villain limps AJ or raises two pair/set
Villain makes a three barrel bluff.

[TreyWilly]

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You are arguing to support your line after the fact.

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I can't really argue to support it during the fact [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


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What do you think is more likely?
Villain limps AJ or raises two pair/set
Villain makes a three barrel bluff.

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I like this point, but I think you're underestimating how many players would raise their two pair or sets in position here. AJ just seems worth the gamble to me.

To put it another way, I decided on the turn I was most likely way ahead. He seemed eager to bet at it, so why not let him?

Pushing the turn has very little advantage. If he has AJ, a set or two pair, he's calling. That brings the same result. If he's got a worse jack and he folds, I lose his river bet. If he has a worse jack and calls, then I win more if he doesn't bet the river (even though his big bet on the turn makes me think he's probably betting the river).

And if I'm ahead and he catches his set or two pair on the river and he gets all my chips, then good for him. If a K or 8 comes, I can fold.

[Eagles]

I check this flop 100% of the time.