2 hands facing a river push

[B Buddy]

1.

okerStars Game #9386723247: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2007/04/12 - 16:37:34 (ET)
Table 'Isis V' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: philivey2694 ($11989 in chips)
Seat 3: DaMadPotter ($4950 in chips)
Seat 4: B Buddy ($5000 in chips)
Seat 5: PaloTheAce ($1804 in chips)
Seat 6: arulx ($5123 in chips)
DaMadPotter: posts small blind $25
B Buddy: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to B Buddy [8d Ad]
PaloTheAce: folds
arulx: raises $100 to $150
philivey2694: folds
DaMadPotter: folds
B Buddy: calls $100
*** FLOP *** [Kh 8s 6s]
B Buddy: checks
arulx: bets $300
B Buddy: calls $300
*** TURN *** [Kh 8s 6s] [Ac]
B Buddy: bets $750
arulx: calls $750
*** RIVER *** [Kh 8s 6s Ac] [7d]
B Buddy: bets $1800
arulx: raises $2123 to $3923 and is all-in


2. I have not played much with philivey2694. Ealier in the session I reraised an early position raiser to 650 with KK and ivey pushed in the SB with A J offsuit preflop.

PokerStars Game #9390759461: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2007/04/12 - 20:49:01 (ET)
Table 'Isis V' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: thegrumpyone ($15971 in chips)
Seat 2: traveller ($5554 in chips)
Seat 4: John Duthie ($4344 in chips)
Seat 5: B Buddy ($6041 in chips)
Seat 6: FatalError ($1597 in chips)
Seat 7: philivey2694 ($12995 in chips)
Seat 8: knockstiff ($950 in chips)
knockstiff: posts small blind $25
thegrumpyone: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to B Buddy [Qd Kc]
traveller: folds
John Duthie: raises $100 to $150
B Buddy: calls $150
FatalError: folds
philivey2694: calls $150
knockstiff: folds
thegrumpyone: folds
*** FLOP *** [6d 5h 6s]
John Duthie: checks
B Buddy: bets $420
philivey2694: calls $420
John Duthie: folds
*** TURN *** [6d 5h 6s] [Qc]
B Buddy: checks
philivey2694: checks
*** RIVER *** [6d 5h 6s Qc] [8h]
B Buddy: bets $950
philivey2694: raises $11475 to $12425 and is all-in

[Ansky]

u got cut off there buddy.

hand 1 looks like a fold vs arulx

[mrTEA]

Fold vs arulx. I don't think i've ever seen him get out of line

[Ansky]

I dont really get the 2nd hand.

You obviously only beat a bluff-- and it doesnt seem like a likely spot for a bluff. Unless you have some crazy read that we dont have its a fold vs most players.

[Phresh]

I think both are folds and I think both are played well.

[king_of_drafts]

Hand one is tough. Never got a solid impression of arulx other than that he seems kinda stationy. I would personally call since it's pretty cheap and I just don't know him well enough to give him credit.

Hand two I am tossing. Sounds like phil was on tilt in that AJo hand because in my experience he is normally very good. IMO your hand looks really weird and kinda hard to believe given the line you took, but if his hand has no showdown value, why didn't he bet the turn after floating the flop?

[Phresh]

king,

How does his hand look hard to believe? Wouldn't a Queen usually check there for pot control in a WA/WB situation?

[fukkeneh]

I snap call #1- If he's slowrolling a set here he did a good job getting all my money.

Hand #2- if he's bluffing. Good Bluff. I fold.

[fukkeneh]

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I think both are folds and I think both are played well.

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When is calling with A8 oop a good play?

[Chaoslord]

i call #1 and fold #2

you are probably beat but getting too good odds in #1, if you folded i dont like your betsizing.

also i would certainly fold both hands preflop