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Old 04-14-2007, 11:47 AM
robsmith82 robsmith82 is offline
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Default Did I extract the most bets here? (Trips on flop)

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 folds, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has As Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Hero has Ks Qc (three of a kind, queens).
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins 11.50 BB. </font>
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Old 04-14-2007, 11:51 AM
kerowo kerowo is offline
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Default Re: Did I extract the most bets here? (Trips on flop)

Raise it up pre-flop, call the 3-bet, lead the flop, lead the turn, lead the river.

Unless villain is an idiot you probably lost .5 BB by not raising pre-flop, maybe a whole one.

Oh, welcome to the forum, don't post results.
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Old 04-14-2007, 12:05 PM
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Default Re: Did I extract the most bets here? (Trips on flop)

I probably raise the flop. You've probably got some gutshots out there. And def raise preflop.
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Old 04-14-2007, 01:36 PM
robsmith82 robsmith82 is offline
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Default Re: Did I extract the most bets here? (Trips on flop)

Yeah looking back at this I should have raised preflop, although I think KQs would be ok to call here as its a great multiway hand? Also was I correct to go for the over call on the flop? I'll make sure I dont post results in future.
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Old 04-14-2007, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: Did I extract the most bets here? (Trips on flop)

No I wouldn't call the flop I would raise. Everyone at these levels plays the call-flop, raise turn line with trips. If you raise the flop they are less likely to give you credit for the Q.

I raise preflop with this and KQs becuase you still get callers with much worse. Yes KQs is a slightly better multiway hand but it has far to much strength to just limp it.
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Old 04-14-2007, 01:44 PM
ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S is offline
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Default Re: Did I extract the most bets here? (Trips on flop)

its fine... honestly as long as you dont fold and your the last aggressor by the end of the hand its all pretty ev neutral
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Old 04-14-2007, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: Did I extract the most bets here? (Trips on flop)

Raise KQ pre-flop. I don't mind the call on the flop because you may get the overcallers. Turn and river good.
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Old 04-14-2007, 02:47 PM
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Default Re: Did I extract the most bets here? (Trips on flop)

You could have got more. I raise KQ preflop and call the eventual three-bet, but if that happened, who knows if MP1 or SB comes along for the ride. But even if one of them stay around you're looking at a 9 SB pot instead of 8.

Your best bet on the flop is to again raise. Nobody gives credit for trips to someone who raises on the small-bet street. Even if Villain shuts down and check/calls the rest of the way, raising the flop instead of the turn costs you only .5 BB, but has the potential to start a war if Villain puts you on something like KK or JJ. If he three-bets again, then you just call and pop the turn.

So in a perfect world you could have had 12 SB preflop + 6 SB on the flop + 4 BB on the turn + 2 BB on the river = 15 BB.
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Old 04-14-2007, 04:50 PM
Gary Frates Gary Frates is offline
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Default Re: Did I extract the most bets here? (Trips on flop)

I raise preflop with this hand most of the time, even UTG, at most tables.
I reraise on the flop, also. Since BB didn't reraise or raise you on the turn or river those streets look alright.
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