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Old 04-14-2007, 09:15 AM
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Default 5/10 live in Detroit. A guy goes all-in blind for 21 bbs.

Normal bad live players in this game. 5/10 blinds. 9 or 10 handed. I have around 1000 which is a bit under the average. Some guy at the table wanted to go play blackjack, so he announces that he's all-in blind next hand in utg+1. UTG folds, and sure enough, utg+1 goes all-in for 205. Its up to me in utg+2. I watched him, and he didn't look at his cards. Whats the range for calling here? What's the range for reraising? I have a very tight image most likely.
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Old 04-14-2007, 09:31 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 live in Detroit. A guy goes all-in blind for 21 bbs.

88+/AJ+
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Old 04-14-2007, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 live in Detroit. A guy goes all-in blind for 21 bbs.

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this is 9handed, isn't that range a bit big in MP
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Old 04-14-2007, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 live in Detroit. A guy goes all-in blind for 21 bbs.

Call with 77+. Raise with JJ+/AK
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Old 04-14-2007, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 live in Detroit. A guy goes all-in blind for 21 bbs.

WTF is this stand?
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Old 04-14-2007, 04:35 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 live in Detroit. A guy goes all-in blind for 21 bbs.

oh wait, sorry misread, i thought this was 2 buyins instead of 20 big blinds...

what's the standard calling range for 2 buy ins?

i still thikn this is a bit lose for 20 big blind, guess i'm a live nit
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Old 04-14-2007, 05:11 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 live in Detroit. A guy goes all-in blind for 21 bbs.

Why would you raise with your big pairs and discourage someone else behind you from overcalling 20%+ of effective stacks?
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Old 04-14-2007, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 live in Detroit. A guy goes all-in blind for 21 bbs.

How much bearing does my image have here? Remember this is live. I had reasons to believe the table thought I was very tight. I don't have to worry too much about getting bluffed PF since there is an all-in guy. Also, with my image people may lay down big hands after I have called.
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Old 04-14-2007, 07:25 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 live in Detroit. A guy goes all-in blind for 21 bbs.

Obviously the more players there are to act behind you, the tighter your range needs to be as there is a greater chance of someone else holding a better hand. You also need to make some basic assumptions about how they will play their various holdings. If you know they won't reraise you without AA/KK and postflop they won't make stupid bluffs into a dry sidepot, then you can go with a wider calling range than if they are either really smart or really stupid. I remember there was a similar hand posted in HSNL a while back where a player went all-in blind, the OP called, and rbk reraised with a small pair or something in order to get the OP to fold his ace-high and hope for his hand to hold up just against the all-in guy (I might have gotten some details wrong, but that's the basic idea).

But assuming the players are pretty straightforward, I'd probably call with 99+, AQo+, and AJs. I wouldn't fault anyone for calling with hands slightly worse than that, but my instinct is that their EV vs two random cards isn't quite enough to make up for the fact that sometimes one of the players behind you wakes up with a big hand and you lose 21bb without even getting to see the flop.

Ofc, sometimes they might just call after you with something like JJ... so their range for overcalling and how they will play those hands beyond the flop should be taken into account as well, but you'd have a better idea of how to adjust for that than I would. If they handle these spots very badly, then I might be willing to expand my calling range slightly.
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Old 04-14-2007, 07:36 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 live in Detroit. A guy goes all-in blind for 21 bbs.

Depends on the game, how much you are willing to gamble...Having played in that game, if you call with a medium pair chances are you are going to get one or two overalls which doesnt bode well for you. That being said I would probably fold most hands, push 1010-QQ, AQ/AK and overcall with KK/AA.
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