Ruling on a so called raise

[PokerEveryDay]

This didn't happen at an actual casino yet at a club in town. 1/2 NLHE, a guy raises to $12 ($10 more) and another guy throws in a $25 and $1 chip without saying anything. Min. raise had to go $20, but he threw in 2 chips for more. To me this is a raise without saying anything. There was some talk that it was only a call. The floor ruled it a raise. As odd as this is, it's still a raise IMO. What do you guys think and why?

Thanks

[Humble Pie]

Maybe I'm missing something, but this seems like it is clearly a raise. You don't have to vocalize your intentions.... At most I would say that the raise stands @ $25 and the bettor takes his $1 chip back. Why would you think that his actions don't constitute a raise?

[PartysOver]

it's a raise to $26 total ($14 raise on top)

i don't see how there could be confusion. this is much different than if he just through in a $25 chip

[crackerjack]

depends.

This happens often where I play. He got his $25 chip mixed in with his $1 chip and didn't see the raise before him and was only intending on calling the $2 blind and didn't realize there was a raise behind him.

Where I play, for the best interest of the game, we just ask the guy what he intended on doing. If he only intended on calling, then we let him take it back and decide after he knows there is a raise before him.

[Twistofsin]

This is a raise. The players who said it was a call were incorrectly trying to apply the 1 chip rule.

If the player had only thrown out the lone $25 chip without saying "raise" first, it would be a call in most rooms. 2+ chips, his action is clear enough that a verbal declaration isn't necessary.

[KipBond]

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At most I would say that the raise stands @ $25 and the bettor takes his $1 chip back.

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Why take the $1 chip back?

[pfapfap]

The way the post was worded, it could be interpreted that the two chips were thrown in separately, tho' I read it they were thrown in at the same time. To crackerjack's thought that the guy was intending to limp, well, that's a whole other can of worms.

[bav]

$1 chip tossed out followed by a $25 is a call. It'd be a string raise otherwise.

$25 chip tossed out followed by a $1 chip is a raise to $25 and the $1 comes back.

$1+$25 tossed at once is a raise to $26.

$1 already on the table in the SB and a $25 tossed on top is a call.

$1 already on the table in the SB, pulled back, and a $25 tossed out is a call.

$1 already on the table in the SB, pulled back, and a $25 plus a $1 tossed out is a raise to $26.

But it'd be easier on everybody if you just used yer voice and told us all what you have in mind before you started flinging chips.

[ChuckyB]

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...guy throws in a $25 and $1 chip without saying anything. Min. raise had to go <u>$22</u>, but he threw in 2 chips for more...

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A minor fix, just to be clear

[KipBond]

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$25 chip tossed out followed by a $1 chip is a raise to $25 and the $1 comes back.

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So, the $1 comes back because it's a string raise. Wouldn't the $25 chip then be just a call using the single-chip rule?