calling all-in with AK (again)

dedor · #1 04-12-2007, 07:59 PM

this is my second post this week of a very similar problem that happened to me deep in a tournament.

55$ NL tournament , 890 entrants, last 19 players
I am third in chips.
the chip leader acts after me. he used his big stack to push players. he made some moves in the past with nothing.

PokerStars Game #9389453620: Tournament #47144051, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (4000/8000)

Seat 1: SB (313306 in chips)
Seat 2: BB (39820 in chips)
Seat 4: UTG (314770 in chips)
Seat 5: UTG+1 (52809 in chips)
Seat 7: CO (22418 in chips)
Seat 9: HERO(171510 in chips)

Dealt to HERO[As Kd]
preflop: 3 fold, hero raises 16000 to 24000, SB raises 288906 to 312906 and is all-in, BB calls 31420 and is all-in
HERO- ?

now at first it looks like a fold after 2 all-ins, but I know the big stack can do this with any 2, and If i win the pot against him it will make me the massive chip leader. (the BB was short stack and had to call almost with any decent hand.)
on the other hand - is it wise to risk the tournament on this hand.
what should be my range to call this?

TheNewf · #2 04-12-2007, 08:13 PM

Call really fast

mgd_speedie · #3 04-12-2007, 08:20 PM

honestly, i really like to fold this hand. the bb is not your priority here, as he is accounting for only 31,000 chips. he may have aces, he may have nothing, but your concern is obviously the sidepot. moving forward, even if he can do this with any 2, the fact that you are at best in a domination spot makes this a bad call, in my opinion. you are in a great position to get to the final table and even the final 3 in this tournament. if you think this particular player is very tricky or aggressive, wait till you have a real hand and not just A high. i don't necesarrily think it is a bad call, but i have folded AK before in a huge tournament like this and had the 2nd biggest stack (i was big stack in the final table) show QQ. usually, even though he may have pulled this before, he is not going to pull this move on you with nothing and there is a good chance you are behind to 22 - QQ, splitting the pot, or behind. wait for a better spot. please, please, tell me if i am wrong but this is just what i would do.

sethypooh21 · #4 04-12-2007, 08:22 PM

This is a completely different situation than the last, as your seat + stack have nowhere near the equity as you did when you were 2/6 with 4 shorties.

The only reason I might not call is that if BB (or anyone really) gets knocked out, this table will break and you probably won't have big stack on your left (the other right, stupid...) so might be able to chip up with a lot less risk.

Also, who has he been making moves with "nothing" against? Doing it vs. a 80k stack vs. a 180k stack are very different things.

shaundeeb · #5 04-12-2007, 08:24 PM

no this doesn't ever look like a fold.

dedor · #6 04-12-2007, 08:25 PM

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honestly, i really like to fold this hand. the bb is not your priority here, as he is accounting for only 31,000 chips. he may have aces, he may have nothing, but your concern is obviously the sidepot. moving forward, even if he can do this with any 2, the fact that you are at best in a domination spot makes this a bad call, in my opinion. you are in a great position to get to the final table and even the final 3 in this tournament. if you think this particular player is very tricky or aggressive, wait till you have a real hand and not just A high. i don't necesarrily think it is a bad call, but i have folded AK before in a huge tournament like this and had the 2nd biggest stack (i was big stack in the final table) show QQ. usually, even though he may have pulled this before, he is not going to pull this move on you with nothing and there is a good chance you are behind to 22 - QQ, splitting the pot, or behind. wait for a better spot. please, please, tell me if i am wrong but this is just what i would do.

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when I read what you write it make a lot of sense. the main pot is my concern.
but if i have a read on this guy that he is making a move , I will be favorite to win and be the massive chip leader.
this is really a close one because i also don't want to risk my tourney even if I'm against 26 which i am only 66% favorite.
tough tough call

shaundeeb · #7 04-12-2007, 08:25 PM

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honestly, i really like to fold this hand. the bb is not your priority here, as he is accounting for only 31,000 chips. he may have aces, he may have nothing, but your concern is obviously the sidepot. moving forward, even if he can do this with any 2, the fact that you are at best in a domination spot makes this a bad call, in my opinion. you are in a great position to get to the final table and even the final 3 in this tournament. if you think this particular player is very tricky or aggressive, wait till you have a real hand and not just A high. i don't necesarrily think it is a bad call, but i have folded AK before in a huge tournament like this and had the 2nd biggest stack (i was big stack in the final table) show QQ. usually, even though he may have pulled this before, he is not going to pull this move on you with nothing and there is a good chance you are behind to 22 - QQ, splitting the pot, or behind. wait for a better spot. please, please, tell me if i am wrong but this is just what i would do.

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try sngs not mtts

dedor · #8 04-12-2007, 08:27 PM

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The only reason I might not call is that if BB (or anyone really) gets knocked out, this table will break and you probably won't have big stack on your left (the other right, stupid...) so might be able to chip up with a lot less risk.

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very good point

sethypooh21 · #9 04-12-2007, 08:28 PM

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no this doesn't ever look like a fold.

[/ QUOTE ]I tend to agree, but the fact that there are exactly 19 people left and I will likely have a much more advantageous seat, risklessly very shortly make me at least think about it.

Of course, if I call and win, I have a HUGELY advantageous seat, but yeah, risk.

shaundeeb · #10 04-12-2007, 08:36 PM

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no this doesn't ever look like a fold.

[/ QUOTE ]I tend to agree, but the fact that there are exactly 19 people left and I will likely have a much more advantageous seat, risklessly very shortly make me at least think about it.

you are winning this pot/sidepot more then not therefore you will have a BS and can abuse the table, if you are good. play to win seriously.

Of course, if I call and win, I have a HUGELY advantageous seat, but yeah, risk.

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