50NL/KK - No idea where I am

Chomp · #1 04-06-2007, 12:18 PM

Just sat, so no reads/stats on villain, although of course I'm aware of his stack size.

Ugh. This is dreadfully played I think, but really I'm lost here. Turn and river the key streets clearly. (Not sure why my pfr is .50c more than my standard here, maybe a misclick).

FWIW, I am working hard on my biggest leak at the moment - paying off with 2nd best hand. I think this was weighing on my mind here.

Thanks.

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($32.25)
SB ($46.75)
BB ($94.40)
UTG ($141.95)
MP ($50)
Hero ($50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero (poster) raises to $3, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.50.

Flop: ($6.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5, UTG calls $5.

Turn: ($16.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $7, Hero calls $7.

River: ($30.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $16, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $46.75

Vyse · #2 04-06-2007, 02:10 PM

As played call river. I can't see a fold here.

I'd personally raise turn.

Xanta · #3 04-06-2007, 03:42 PM

I like the turn call, a raise just lets him get away from weak jacks and 99,TT. His bet kinda screams 'where am I at?' and I don't want to tell him.

River is ugh, I probably call though. I'm having trouble putting him on a range for the river.

jonyy6788 · #4 04-06-2007, 03:57 PM

If we go for PC on the turn, we really can't fold the river at 47:16 odds

Vyse · #5 04-06-2007, 04:06 PM

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I like the turn call, a raise just lets him get away from weak jacks and 99,TT. His bet kinda screams 'where am I at?' and I don't want to tell him.

River is ugh, I probably call though. I'm having trouble putting him on a range for the river.

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I don't play 50 NL so I dunno, but at lower limits that's precisely the point -- they're not good enough to get away from those type of hands anyway.

SoulPower · #6 04-06-2007, 04:15 PM

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I like the turn call, a raise just lets him get away from weak jacks and 99,TT. His bet kinda screams 'where am I at?' and I don't want to tell him.

River is ugh, I probably call though. I'm having trouble putting him on a range for the river.

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This is pretty close to what I was thinking. But if you do smoothcall turn, you have to do so with the intention of calling a river bet of this size if a brick hits.

jotta · #7 04-06-2007, 04:34 PM

Raise the turn and call any all in.

barryc83 · #8 04-06-2007, 04:37 PM

I'd call river, his river 1/2 lead reeks of a J IMO.

FreakDaddy · #9 04-06-2007, 04:42 PM

If you have a read, for instance, you know your opponent is aggressive, will try and re-steal, and will pay off with a lot of second best hands, then calling the turn is OK. Your plan being that you'll get paid off on the river, but if you raise, this opponent will fold.

Against a more unknown opponent, you should raise this turn nearly 100% of the time. He obviously has some piece, and he may have picked up a draw as well, so you want to be raising for value here. If you want to examine leaks, not raising when you have the best hand, when your opponent will likely call, is costing you money.

Call the river. Since you only called a weak turn bet, you have to call the river. The only concievable hand your opponent has here that beats you is JT. It doesn't look like a set (maybe a really butchered one), abd there are a lot of goofy hands people will play at these limits.

jmgambler · #10 04-06-2007, 05:32 PM

Raise the turn, as played I call this river.... You "Just" calling the turn makes him think his JQ,JK,J9s is good..