No hand shuffling at the 'B'

[VORP]

Alright, there have been some threads on here in the past about specific Wynn policies and ways to improve them. Many of those policies have changed for the better so this can’t hurt.

I want to know what the deal is with the no hand shuffle rule at the B. This rule makes no sense and is incredibly annoying. It easily costs a couple hands each hour, especially at a fast moving mid or high limit game. I think it is pretty obvious how this is detrimental to the player, dealers, and the house. The only reason I have gotten from the dealers is that it is to protect the integrity of the game. It wasn’t that long ago that every room in the city hand shuffled exclusively so that argument seems pretty weak to me.

So… does anyone have any suggestions on what can be done to change this policy? Anyone in particular I should complain to? Will anyone even listen or care?

[somapopper]

Forgive my ignorance here, but is the problem that the autoshuffler takes longer if the cards aren't manually shuffled before they're put in?

[VORP]

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Forgive my ignorance here, but is the problem that the autoshuffler takes longer if the cards aren't manually shuffled before they're put in?

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No, the problem is the auto shuffler is slow in general and sometimes messes up. Here’s one example:

Utg raises, everyone folds and he takes the blinds. The dealer waits for 10-15 seconds for the shuffler to finish. Except that the shuffler miscounted and came up with a red light. So now the dealer has to run the whole deck through again while the entire table sits there for a minute doing absolutely nothing.

[Clover362]

I'm surprised this is the rule, at my local casino if the autosuffler isn't done the dealer just suffles and goes but casino rules are weird and i don't know if there is anything you can do about it

[Patrick del Poker Grande]

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Forgive my ignorance here, but is the problem that the autoshuffler takes longer if the cards aren't manually shuffled before they're put in?

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No, the problem is the auto shuffler is slow in general and sometimes messes up. Here’s one example:

Utg raises, everyone folds and he takes the blinds. The dealer waits for 10-15 seconds for the shuffler to finish. Except that the shuffler miscounted and came up with a red light. So now the dealer has to run the whole deck through again while the entire table sits there for a minute doing absolutely nothing.

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These two things happening at the same time happen infrequently enough that they're more than made up for by the speed gained on every other hand. Also, in this case, the rules should be such that the dealer should just manually shuffle the deck he has when the autoshuffler isn't finished yet. If this were the case, you could only ever be faster than manually shuffling every hand.

[Don Olney]

This is just a DUMB rule.
To protect the INTEGRITY of the game is BS.

[somapopper]

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Forgive my ignorance here, but is the problem that the autoshuffler takes longer if the cards aren't manually shuffled before they're put in?

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No, the problem is the auto shuffler is slow in general and sometimes messes up. Here’s one example:

Utg raises, everyone folds and he takes the blinds. The dealer waits for 10-15 seconds for the shuffler to finish. Except that the shuffler miscounted and came up with a red light. So now the dealer has to run the whole deck through again while the entire table sits there for a minute doing absolutely nothing.

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These two things happening at the same time happen infrequently enough that they're more than made up for by the speed gained on every other hand. Also, in this case, the rules should be such that the dealer should just manually shuffle the deck he has when the autoshuffler isn't finished yet. If this were the case, you could only ever be faster than manually shuffling every hand.

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Patrick,

I think what you describe is what the OP is calling for. To my knowledge, nobody in this thread is advocating getting rid of auto-shufflers (if that's what you were arguing against).

I too am somewhat surprised that a situation like this could be common enough to get people up in arms, even if the rule is dumb.

[Percula]

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This is just a DUMB rule.
To protect the INTEGRITY of the game is BS.

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You have obviously never seen a mechanic at work before...

OP, it is strange that the B is doing this, something must have happened to prompt this change, not good.

[VORP]

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Patrick,

I think what you describe is what the OP is calling for. To my knowledge, nobody in this thread is advocating getting rid of auto-shufflers (if that's what you were arguing against).

I too am somewhat surprised that a situation like this could be common enough to get people up in arms, even if the rule is dumb.

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Correct. I obviously like the auto shufflers, I just want the dealers to be able to hand shuffle when needed. My above example is on the extreme side but not that unusual. There are other instances, like the dealer accidently flipping over the first card to one of the blinds, that can cause a fairly long delay.

A 10-30 second delay a couple times a down is a hand or two per hour. It's not the worst thing ever to happen in a card room but I think it annoys me so much becuase it's so easily fixable and doesn't accomplish anything in the first place.

[RR]

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A 10-30 second delay a couple times a down is a hand or two per hour. It's not the worst thing ever to happen in a card room but I think it annoys me so much becuase it's so easily fixable and doesn't accomplish anything in the first place.


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As someone note above I am guessing something very bad happened. A few years ago I had a conversation with someone about whether or not the dealer should hand shuffle in these cases. Most places go ahead and hand shuffle, but the machine is more secure to protect the games again a mechanic.