KK WA/WB?

[snikeris]

Ok, I think this is a good example of WA/WB done correctly. Correct me if I'm wrong...

Villain is unknown. After the second nine and the donk on the turn, I figure he either has a Q and I'm way ahead, or a 9 and I'm way behind. So if he has a Q, let him bet for me, but if he's got a 9 I can save some money.

Ultimate Bet
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25./$0.5
7 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 2 folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8.4SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.7BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8.7BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 10.7BB

[MrWookie]

You're misapplying this concept. I raise the turn.

[KingOtter]

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You're misapplying this concept. I raise the turn.

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What do you put villain on here?

[snikeris]

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You're misapplying this concept. I raise the turn.

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I mean he's obviously representing a 9 here. If he doesn't have it, then great let him keep pretending he does. I don't want to scare him off. If he does, lets try to save as much money as we can but still see it. Isn't this WA/WB?

[bozlax]

Posting blind (totally blind, based exclusively on your subject): probably not WA/WB.

After reading: nope, not even close. Too many outs for your opponent, not enough for you, not close to 50/50 ahead/behind, yada yada. Raise the turn, call down if 3bet.

[winkydinky85]

Just because he donked the turn does not mean he has a nine here. He could just be saying "Show me if you can beat top pair". That is the most likely answer out of all of them.

[milesdyson]

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Posting blind (totally blind, based exclusively on your subject): probably not WA/WB.

After reading: nope, not even close. Too many outs for your opponent, not enough for you, not close to 50/50 ahead/behind, yada yada. Raise the turn, call down if 3bet.

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Pretty much you have 2 outs if behind, and he has 2 outs if behind so I disagree with that part. If he has a Q he needs another one. If he has a 9 you need a K.

I just agree that it's not 50/50 so we should raise somewhere. His range is overwhelmingly Qx.

[bozlax]

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I mean he's obviously representing a 9 here.

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o rly? Why would he donk with a 9? He'd c/r. This is a Q, uh, always, and by just calling on the turn you're making two mistakes:

1. you're giving him a chance to draw cheaply to his 5 outs; and
2. if a scary card that doesn't help him falls on the river, he might not bet again.

[bozlax]

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Pretty much you have 2 outs if behind, and he has 2 outs if behind so I disagree with that part. If he has a Q he needs another one. If he has a 9 you need a K.

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Hmmm. Yeah. Wasn't really considering the paired board. That said, AQ is a portion of his range, just not a big enough one to give him a lot more outs.

[Shillx]

I'm guessing that all you turn raisers fold to a 3-bet?