Live games with sb=bb structues

[ciro bonano]

The local live limit game here (the Netherlands) has two formats:

1) e2/e4 game, with both the small and big blind being 2e, and a 10% rake

2) e5/e10 game, with both small and big blind being 5e and 5% rake


I have played 1) before they increased the rake, and a typical game features a lot of loose passive players and some tight passive players. Now that they have increased the rake and the small blind, is this game still beatable at a decent rate?

Game 2) still has enough loose passive players or otherwise bad (I chatted with a guy who was complaining about the slow pace of the game because he was here "to make money", and then called a raise cold with T5o), but there are some younger kids who (as far as I've seen) played a decent game My rough estimate: if I normally would have folded my small blind 50% of the time, this means I'm losing 1/8 big bet each orbit, so I'm losing 1.25BB/100 on this new rule (and the extra money in the pot when I'm not sb is there anyways because everybody always completes). So I'd say that I can overcome this by solid play.

How does your strategy change if you are playing (or forced to play) at a 10% rake and/or a sb=bb game?

[endo]

10% sucks but is there a cap?

[ciro bonano]

Ah I should have included that; there is a cap but it's at e20 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Bob T.]

You aren't actually losing that money. Everyone is losing that money. Well, this probably rewards players who play a little looser, and a little more aggressive. It probably plays more like a 2-3 blind structure, because both blinds are going to be in more often. I guess the main adjustment to make, might be raising, or reraising out of the 'Small' Blind more often, to put pressure on the Big blind, and create more dead money in the pot.

[Bob T.]

I just saw the cap. I don't think the 2-4 game can possibly be beat, the 5-10 game, with only a 5% rake, can probably be beat.

[reutel]

I played before the 10% in the 2/4 game. It was easy as hell. I am not playing with the 10% rake though. So I moved up (5/10 is way above my poker roll) and lost some monies. Now I am grinding .50/1 on everest to make a proper roll for the 5/10.

BTW I think the cap is at 10 E for the 2/4 and 20 for the 5/10.
And do you play in Utrecht? I might know you

[johnnyrocket]

lol, every live game under 50/100 is very easily beatable with ne rake.

[Bob T.]

I guess the other thing to consider, is what kind of players would play with that structure, and when you think about that, you probably can beat them.

[MTDog-7]

IMHO, stear clear of the 2-4 gaem between the double big blinds and 10% rake you will burn up your bankroll faster if your a TAG player. If your a LAG you'll have more action. Also the rake has more effect on the smaller pots you'll find in the 2-4 game. We have a lot of 10% rakes capped at 4 max if the pot is 100 then it's only 4% Smaller stakes like 2-4 with 10% max 4 are more of a "HOUSE" game.