single chip raise/call

[Yossarian147]

I was reading Robert's Rules of Poker (I was really bored) and came to this part--

Example: In a $3-$6 game, when a player bets $6 and the next player puts a $25 chip in the pot without saying anything, that player has merely called the $6 bet .

Is the chip considered to still have its full value, or is there now magically $19 dead money in the pot? That is, if there's a raise behind the player in question, can additional calls be covered by the $25 chip?

[UMTerp]

It's just like if he put in $6. He'll get $19 back in change if the pot is not raised behind him, and he'd have the option to call or fold any subsequent raises should one occur (if he folds, $6 goes to the pot, and the dealer will give him $19 in change).

This is why you should get in the habit of always verbalizing your intentions ("Call", "Raise") in a casino. A lot of first-timers learn this rule the hard way when they intend to raise, but their action is treated as a call when they just flip in a single higher denomination without saying anything.

[jamzfive]

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It's just like if he put in $6. He'll get $19 back in change if the pot is not raised behind him, and he'd have the option to call or fold any subsequent raises should one occur (if he folds, $6 goes to the pot, and the dealer will give him $19 in change).

This is why you should get in the habit of always verbalizing your intentions ("Call", "Raise") in a casino. A lot of first-timers learn this rule the hard way when they intend to raise, but their action is treated as a call when they just flip in a single higher denomination without saying anything.

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Here's one from Borgata this past Friday night - my first time at a B&M, playing $2/$4 LHE. I had run out of white chips on the previous hand, but had forgotten that little fact. I wanted to call pre-flop, and so, without looking, reached to the right-most stack of my chips (where the white ones would have been), grabbed two from the stack, and tossed them across the bet line, saying nothing. I startle when I see that I have actually tossed two RED chips.

I immediately assumed this means I had raised, and said "Oops, I forgot I didn't have any whites over there. I guess that's a raise?" But one other player said "If you want to raise, you have to say 'Raise'", and the dealer looked at me and asked "What did you want to do?" No one objected when I pulled one red one back and said "I just wanted to call".

Of course, maybe this was just because it was the $2/$4 table, so things weren't quite as strict, but really, what should the correct decision have been?

jb

[Backspin20]

The Dealers at the Borgata are the best in the city for the most part...This is a raise!

[Josem]

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Here's one from Borgata this past Friday night - my first time at a B&M, playing $2/$4 LHE. I had run out of white chips on the previous hand, but had forgotten that little fact. I wanted to call pre-flop, and so, without looking, reached to the right-most stack of my chips (where the white ones would have been), grabbed two from the stack, and tossed them across the bet line, saying nothing. I startle when I see that I have actually tossed two RED chips.

I immediately assumed this means I had raised, and said "Oops, I forgot I didn't have any whites over there. I guess that's a raise?" But one other player said "If you want to raise, you have to say 'Raise'", and the dealer looked at me and asked "What did you want to do?" No one objected when I pulled one red one back and said "I just wanted to call".

Of course, maybe this was just because it was the $2/$4 table, so things weren't quite as strict, but really, what should the correct decision have been?

jb

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The "legal" decision should have been that it was a raise (subject to weird house rules at your casino)

However, if no one particularly minds, it is not unreasonable to play it as you described.

[runout_mick]

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what should the correct decision have been?

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Had anyone objected, it would stand as a raise. Most civil tables cut the newer players some slack though.

[Javanewt]

So if you throw in two chips that value more than the call and don't say anything, it's a raise, but one chip is a call?

If so, on the two chips, your raise is the cap or in NL it's the value of the two chips?

[KipBond]

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So if you throw in two chips that value more than the call and don't say anything, it's a raise, but one chip is a call?

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Yes, unless the 2 chips aren't enough to make it a raise (or 1/2 of what is needed to raise, I think).

So, if the bet is $9, and you put in two $5 chips, that's a call. If the bet is $6, then it's a raise (I think), and you'll have to add 2 more dollars.

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If so, on the two chips, your raise is the cap or in NL it's the value of the two chips?

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Yes, unless you declare otherwise.