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Old 04-01-2007, 11:16 AM
TJO TJO is offline
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Default Q9s blind steal.

Villain is 14/7/3.5 only 40 hands
My stats at the table are 28/17/4 after 40 hands.

Limit: $0.25/$0.5
8 players

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
5 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5SB, 2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

Do you like the raise against this TAG?

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero ???

Should I take the free card?
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Old 04-01-2007, 11:21 AM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Re: Q9s blind steal.

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Do you like the raise against this TAG?

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Do you like it?

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Should I take the free card?

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Why did you raise the flop?
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Old 04-01-2007, 11:22 AM
kerowo kerowo is offline
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Default Re: Q9s blind steal.

I like a bet better than the check. If you check he is going to fire at the river regardless of the card and you will have to make a decision, if you bet there is a chance he will fold and you won't have to make a decision.
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Old 04-01-2007, 11:44 AM
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Default Re: Q9s blind steal.

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Do you like the raise against this TAG?

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Do you like it?

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Should I take the free card?

[/ QUOTE ]Why did you raise the flop?

[/ QUOTE ]Sorry about the usual stupidity of my questions.

I raised the flop mostly for a free card and in hopes that the opponent might fold. Then I started to think that I could raise the turn also for cheap showdown. So I don't know which line is best against this villain. That's what I wanted to know.

Is it bad to raise for a free showdown when a scare card comes on the turn? At least here I can fold to a c/r. Against a tricky villain I would check but against an unknown TAG I'm not sure what the standard line is. Maybe this was a stupid hand to post.

Edited to add: I like my flop raise and from your answers I'm guessing it was correct as I thought.
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Old 04-01-2007, 11:44 AM
nerdking nerdking is offline
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Default Re: Q9s blind steal.

bet turn, check behind the river
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Old 04-01-2007, 12:20 PM
RabidTortuga RabidTortuga is offline
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Default Re: Q9s blind steal.

Grunch. Bet again. Show it down for free ui if he calls. Fold to a reraise.
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Old 04-01-2007, 01:21 PM
Unstable James Unstable James is offline
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Default Re: Q9s blind steal.

*grunch*

Pre-flop and flop look good. Bet turn and expect your opponent to fold. If you get raised, fold. If you get called, take the free showdown.
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Old 04-01-2007, 06:08 PM
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Default Re: Q9s blind steal.

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I raised the flop mostly for a free card and in hopes that the opponent might fold.

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It's safe to assume he's never folding a hand better than yours, so if you're hoping he's going to fold, then you might as well put in a turn value bet.

Why do you want a free card? Do you think you're behind? If so, what makes you think he's going to fold?

These two ideas together don't make a lot of sense.

I like a flop raise if you're going to bet the turn.
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Old 04-01-2007, 07:35 PM
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Default Re: Q9s blind steal.

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I raised the flop mostly for a free card and in hopes that the opponent might fold.

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It's safe to assume he's never folding a hand better than yours, so if you're hoping he's going to fold, then you might as well put in a turn value bet.

Why do you want a free card? Do you think you're behind? If so, what makes you think he's going to fold?

These two ideas together don't make a lot of sense.

I like a flop raise if you're going to bet the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]I thought I could be behind a ten but this is probably more often OCs, FD or SD.

So I was looking for a way to show my hand down cheaply. b/f line on the turn and checking behind is river is best if I think that the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] didn't help the the villain more than 50% of the time. If the villain will check-raises the turn more than 50% of the time then it's better to check and hope that I manage to suck out on the river.

It's very hard to put an unknown villain on a hand range here. I think a villain this tight needs a good hand to defend on the SB but my maniacal table image might make him loosen his standards. Still it looks clear that there's more than 50% of hand combinations that don't have an ace that villain plays like this. So it's best to bet the turn.
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Old 04-01-2007, 07:37 PM
wrkingtobegreat wrkingtobegreat is offline
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Default Re: Q9s blind steal.

I dont think you know enough about villain to reraise with middle pair in this situation.
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