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Old 03-30-2007, 06:15 PM
yourface yourface is offline
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Default big multiway pot with set, I only put in 1 raise postflop

UTG is 54/6/1 over 72 hands, SB is unknown

hero has 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in MP
UTG limps, hero raises, CO folds, button calls, SB calls, BB calls

flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB bets, BB folds, UTG calls, hero calls, button folds

I was planning on popping a safe turn. my equity changes a lot with a non-heart and I have the fishy UTG trapped between me and the SB.

turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB bets, UTG raises, hero calls, SB calls

I didn't think I was ahead here that often when UTG wakes up. I definately have odds to peel though.

river: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, UTG bets, hero raises, SB 3bets, UTG caps, hero calls

I thought I played this one well, but should I have been more aggressive on the flop or turn?
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Old 03-30-2007, 06:25 PM
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Default Re: big multiway pot with set, I only put in 1 raise postflop

I raise the flop and turn in this situation. I usually jam this in this situation because so many people jam their big draws as well.

I have middle set probably the best hand 95% of the time by itself. I have a redraw to a boat if the turn 4 flushes. I am maybe way off base but this is my standard play here.
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Old 03-30-2007, 06:33 PM
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Default Re: big multiway pot with set, I only put in 1 raise postflop

raise the flop, sb wont always bet a blank for u Id 3bet the turn as played ur still well ahead of both their ranges neither are really that likely to have a flush here and if u could fold out sb with a heart thats awesome (if UTG doesnt have one). UTGs turn raise is mandatory for him with many of his worse hands dont fear him yet

cant fold the river
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Old 03-30-2007, 07:07 PM
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Default Re: big multiway pot with set, I only put in 1 raise postflop

I raise the flop. The pot is big you have a very strong hand and waiting for the turn doesn't do you a lot of good because of your relative position.
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Old 03-30-2007, 07:14 PM
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Default Re: big multiway pot with set, I only put in 1 raise postflop

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I raise the flop. The pot is big you have a very strong hand and waiting for the turn doesn't do you a lot of good because of your relative position.

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what do you mean by that? I won't be able to raise to protect my hand from a flush draw, but I will hopefully be able to get in two big bets with much higher equity on a blank turn.
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Old 03-30-2007, 07:17 PM
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Default Re: big multiway pot with set, I only put in 1 raise postflop

Raise the flop. For value and also because pretty much any hand that button will call for one bet here is likely going to call for two.

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I won't be able to raise to protect my hand from a flush draw, but I will hopefully be able to get in two big bets with much higher equity on a blank turn

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At worse, you are around 2:1 to beat a made flush by the river and you will likely get both players to call a flop raise. You have a set, not top pair; your equity is higher and you have redraws to go with it.
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Old 03-30-2007, 07:19 PM
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Default Re: big multiway pot with set, I only put in 1 raise postflop

I don't think your equity will jump enough from flop to turn to justify waiting for the turn and you won't be able to protect your hand because of your position.
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Old 03-30-2007, 07:21 PM
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Default Re: big multiway pot with set, I only put in 1 raise postflop

sb will end up making a 3bet with like KT no heart for u alot on this board (losing the one player with a heart would be great for ur equity) and then u get to either cap or raise the turn thats another pro of raising now besides straight value. I wouldnt even think of waiting til the turn to raise here I almost gave a much more passionate "wtf raise the flop jesus christ" kinda response at first but then decided to be a bit more subdued.
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Old 03-30-2007, 07:23 PM
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Default Re: big multiway pot with set, I only put in 1 raise postflop

after a little stoving I agree with you. my equity only jumps ~10%, and it is quite high already.
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Old 03-30-2007, 07:25 PM
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Default Re: big multiway pot with set, I only put in 1 raise postflop

like jstill says, I think one of the primary reasons to raise the flop is so that SB can 3-bet.
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