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Old 03-30-2007, 10:08 AM
darinvg darinvg is offline
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Default $114: QQ early, flush possible

Dipping my toes in the bigger tank. No idea who vilian is. Do I just fire again? Seems like any kind of a bet is going to commit me. Check raise?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1530)
Hero (t1320)
MP2 (t1570)
MP3 (t1440)
CO (t1700)
Button (t1470)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1510)

Preflop: Hero is in MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t90</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, CO calls t90, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t75, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

Flop: (t300) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t210</font>, CO calls t210, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>

Turn: (t720) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ?
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Old 03-30-2007, 10:24 AM
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Default Re: $114: QQ early, flush possible

Yes I fire again, but the Idea of C/R is nice too ... but I dont like the Idea of Villain Check behind and let a fourth spade, or an A / K fall.
This could be a worse PP, somethink like 77 or 66 ~wohooo I have second top pair and only lowcards~
or A8 or even worse.
Most of these Hands would fold to a Turn bet, but may try to bluff/semibluff when you Check the Turn.

(Btw, I like that we are holding the Q of spades here.)
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Old 03-30-2007, 10:39 AM
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Default Re: $114: QQ early, flush possible

Bet around 240 on the flop. Check turn, re-evaluate river....but likely call most river bets.....
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Old 03-30-2007, 01:12 PM
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Default Re: $114: QQ early, flush possible

make a real bet on the flop
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Old 03-30-2007, 01:30 PM
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Default Re: $114: QQ early, flush possible

Which cards could Villain have and made a flush?
Ok, we dunno if he sucks and could have any two.

I wouldn`t be paranoid and fear a 4th spade on the river or an A/K.

Most people bet, when checked to, with a very wide range. So witha crai you might get some hands in, which you`re ahead of.
If you c/c this turn, the pot on the river is almost to big to fold.

If he checks behind on the turn and the river bricks, i make a valuebet.
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Old 03-30-2007, 01:41 PM
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Default Re: $114: QQ early, flush possible

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make a real bet on the flop

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1. Because it's vulnerable to a flush draw and there are great implied odds for the draw to call?

2. How much is a good bet here?
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Old 03-30-2007, 02:08 PM
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Default Re: $114: QQ early, flush possible

Actually i think the bet on the flop is fine, although i almost always pot it, because ppl call to much.

I guess bigt meant something like 250-300 ish.
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Old 03-30-2007, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: $114: QQ early, flush possible

I haven't played $114, but I suspect those players would be aware of their odds, no? In any case unless they have a good reason to suspect there are great implied odds (i.e., hero has a monster he will have trouble laying down), they are making a mistake calling with a 4:1 draw into a 3:2 pot, which is exactly what makes you money in the long run..
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Old 03-30-2007, 06:30 PM
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Default Re: $114: QQ early, flush possible

Against reagulars my flop bet will often be a bit smaller to hide my c-bets a little more. Since you don't know the villains 250 might be better - Also since there is both flush and str8 draws (even though chances for a str8 draw are pretty small).
You have the Qs so I might just check the turn and see what he does. Elseway I will most often just bet out again to protect my hand. If he bets the turn after your check you must find out if you want to CR og just check/call.
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Old 03-30-2007, 06:33 PM
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Default Re: $114: QQ early, flush possible

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Actually i think the bet on the flop is fine, although i almost always pot it, because ppl call to much.

I guess bigt meant something like 250-300 ish.

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sorry guys... i dunno, i guess i misread the post... or did he edit it or something? i couldve sworn he gay bet... anyways 210 is totally fine.
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