turnplay - trips drawing to the nut flush in a large pot

Guitierez · #1 03-29-2007, 06:59 PM

Hi all,

was 3betting the flop spew? I was almost sure to have the best hand. How should I continue with the the FD?

villain is a thinking TAG who is certainly not bluffing.

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Preflop: hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, hero bets, BB raises, MP2 folds, hero 3-bets, hero calls.

Turn: (7.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, hero ???

This seems to be a good card giving me plenty of outs...
but I was hoping for an A or a T. What now?

Thoughts?

MrWookie · #2 03-29-2007, 07:01 PM

Raise/call. The flop 3bet is the opposite of spew.

00Snitch · #3 03-29-2007, 07:15 PM

This pot isn't that large.

However, that doesn't change the fact that you have an awsome hand. Please raise lots. The flop 3-bet is a good start. Now raise the turn.

Wookie, you are that sure that he has a flush that you don't cap the turn given the chance?

kerowo · #4 03-29-2007, 07:18 PM

What hands do you c/r this flop with and donk the turn if you aren't bluffing? A flush is going to be a big part of them.

MrWookie · #5 03-29-2007, 07:28 PM

Boats, too. This isn't a case of going into call down mode and being sad and expecting to lose. It's more that I don't want to continue to be worked by better hands, even though I expect to win my fair share.

00Snitch · #6 03-29-2007, 07:29 PM

It just seemed like a strange line for a flush. If villan is a thinking player, why would he c/r a flush draw on the flop? Woudn't a c/c or b/c line be better for a flopped flush draw?

I guess you are right, if he 3-bets the turn, we are probably drawing. It just seems strange to me.

MrWookie · #7 03-29-2007, 07:31 PM

As games have gotten tougher, this not uncommon to see from flush draws played by TAGs.

00Snitch · #8 03-29-2007, 07:33 PM

QT crossed my mind, but I didn't want to be called Mubsy McMubsface.

I was hoping it would be something like K/J/9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T. But I guess I'm clutching at straws there. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Grease · #9 03-29-2007, 07:47 PM

Raise. Easy raise.

If he 3-bets, I'd just call, but you have so many outs if behind, it's ridiculous.

Point Blank · #10 03-29-2007, 09:15 PM

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villain is a thinking TAG who is certainly not bluffing

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why is a thinking TAG not bluffing ... a thinking TAG is most certainly bluffing (semi bluffing / making a pressure)

I think a likely likely holding for villain is like QJ and is probably bet/folding here ... or a KT, QT, JT (you beat two!)

his turn donk is really suspicious! ... it looks like he either want to bet/fold or bet/3bet (hoping you were pushing a hand he crushes ... ie - he holds QT) ...

I'm really wanting to just call the turn here ... I don't want the raise/fold scenario to happen (not that rasie/calling is bad ... either you have outs or some chance or being goot)

also: since we have position, I might like a raise on the river (maybe) ....

wow - not really sure ... there is a lot going on in this hand