Speaking of weak tight...

Jouster777 · #1 03-29-2007, 06:06 AM

Main villain is solid/conservative and I haven't seen him go wild like this on any dangerous board. Stats 30/6/2. Short stack is unknown.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($35.85)
CO ($16.60)
Button ($29.70)
SB ($50.70)
Hero ($77.95)
UTG ($91.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.5, CO calls $1.50, Button folds, SB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($6.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.5, CO calls $4.50, SB raises to $20.5, Hero calls $16, CO calls $10.10 (All-In).

River: ($62.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets $28.2 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $90.30

Supwithbates · #2 03-29-2007, 06:12 AM

why are you calling turn if you're folding river? The scarecard is on the turn, I don't see anything new coming to light on the river, and I'm not sure what kind of action you expected to go on the river after how the turn went

Jouster777 · #3 03-29-2007, 06:19 AM

Very good question...looks really stupid.

I have 300 hands on this guy. He's very ABC and I could see him betting turn with trips but not pushing with them after two calls. At least that was my thinking at the time.

bozzer · #4 03-29-2007, 06:30 AM

well the river is a scary card to a guy with trips since any 7 now beats you. so the river push might confirm that the guy has a boat. if you think this guy would never stack off with trips on this board I suppose this is a good fold, but I'm very wary of 'good folds' since I am a complete pot odds calling station.

Jouster777 · #5 03-29-2007, 08:39 AM

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well the river is a scary card to a guy with trips since any 7 now beats you. so the river push might confirm that the guy has a boat. if you think this guy would never stack off with trips on this board I suppose this is a good fold, but I'm very wary of 'good folds' since I am a complete pot odds calling station.

[/ QUOTE ]Good observation...I wish I could say I saw it at the time because it would have made my line a bit more acceptable.

Even though I had a decent read on this guy I think Supwithbates is probably right that turn call is bad if I'm going to fold river...even with a strong read, 300 hands isn't enough.

The results didn't really clarify whether this was a good read or not.

Results in white: Villain had 65s and rivered his boat [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

ama0330 · #6 03-29-2007, 09:20 AM

I think you are push or fold on that turn, its obviously going in on the river anyway. I personally would go broke here quite happily in a limped pot. He could have some lame trips or two pair.

If villain is as solid as you say, hes a total moron for not raising that flop if he has a set, so I cant put him on that.

As played I think you MUST call this river just based on the possibility that SB could be trying to squeeze with a 7 on the turn, thinking you both are still drawing, and now he thinks that his straight has hit on the river even though you've "topped him out". I cant fold this river given odds.

ama0330 · #7 03-29-2007, 09:23 AM

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Results in white:

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Two things here:

1. Villain sucks a LOT and you should buddylist him, his flop play is SO SO SO BAD

2. I read super goot [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

tarheeljks · #8 03-29-2007, 09:25 AM

gotta go down w/the ship here.

Supwithbates · #9 03-29-2007, 09:31 AM

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well the river is a scary card to a guy with trips since any 7 now beats you. so the river push might confirm that the guy has a boat. if you think this guy would never stack off with trips on this board I suppose this is a good fold, but I'm very wary of 'good folds' since I am a complete pot odds calling station.

[/ QUOTE ]Good observation...I wish I could say I saw it at the time because it would have made my line a bit more acceptable.

Even though I had a decent read on this guy I think Supwithbates is probably right that turn call is bad if I'm going to fold river...even with a strong read, 300 hands isn't enough.

The results didn't really clarify whether this was a good read or not.

Results in white: Villain had 65s and rivered his boat [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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this was actually the first thing I put him on (that or 76) when I read how the hand went down.

My earlier judgment remains. Shove or fold turn, and I'd base the decision on my read, but I lean more towards shove since you've got the nut straight and are stacking 75 as well as trips.

Jouster777 · #10 03-29-2007, 09:31 AM

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1. Villain sucks a LOT and you should buddylist him, his flop play is SO SO SO BAD

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Yeah...my read on him changed a bit after that. I think he knew it was a terrible flop call though as after I said "NH" [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] in chat he felt the need to explain it without prompting: "I only came along on the flop because (shorty) was in".